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Episode 008: Reactionary Leftists

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Glowie and Capy discuss the recent Hasan–Gavin Newsom discourse and the wave of backlash, slander, and online “psyop” style narratives targeting Hasan and anyone unwilling to fall in line behind Democratic Party figures.

The conversation also explores the role of elections in bourgeois democracies, the campaigns aimed at “never Kamala” or anti-Democrat leftists, the ongoing argument for harm reduction, the contradictions of pro-Democrat leftists, and the understanding that the American political system itself is fundamentally unfixable.

In this episode we cover:

  • Democrat orbiter and defender @reactionary_leftist and their various insufferable TikTok posts.
  • Framing Hasan and his supporters as conspiratorial or antisemitic. Is Hasan antisemitic?
  • The attempt to police criticism of Israel and liberal politicians.
  • What is harm reduction and do the Democrats actually engage in harm reduction? Harm reduction for who?.
  • Conflating Israel and Judaism is antisemetic.
  • The reason why it seems like leftists criticize the Democrats more than the Republicans.
  • Pro-Democrat "leftists" don't actually support Palestine.
  • The communist position on bourgeois parliaments: what’s the point, why run candidates, and what Vladimir Lenin had to say on the matter.
  • “Vote blue no matter who” arguments, including claims that Democrats are meaningfully better than Republicans and that leftists are responsible for Republican victories.
  • The idea that leftists who didn’t vote for Kamala are responsible for ICE.
  • The framing of communists and proletarian revolution as unrealistic or “rapture-like.”
  • Why revolutions haven't occurred in the USA and the imperial-core and a discussion on imperialism, the luxury afforded to the US population, and the labor-aristocracy.
  • The claim that Democrats “follow Republicans” because leftists refuse to support them, and how blame is shifted onto anti-electoral or critical voters.
  • Liberal "criticisms" of ICE.



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SPEAKER_01

Hey, Cappy. Happy Easter. Thank you, Glowey. Happy Easter to you too. I know you're a big Christian guy. Oh yeah, huge. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Did the did the Easter bunny come around? Yeah, I actually, yeah. I I got an egg today. Okay. Do you mean that somebody who is not like uh an in-the-closet or not yet self-aware trans person?

unknown

What?

SPEAKER_01

That you don't know what an egg is? Flew over my head. The egg flew over your head?

SPEAKER_03

I know what your joke flew over my head. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

I felt dumbfounded. A trans person flew over your head. I got it. I see what you're saying. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It it does, in fact, seem that uh believing in yourself and having the bravery in such a backward society to identify the way you feel on the inside, it does seem like a superpower. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So on our last Patreon stream, we did a thing talking about No On our last podcast, we were talking about progressive victory. And then uh on the subsequent Thursday stream, we were watching a lot of uh reactionary liberals talking, um doing quote stitches to somebody with the prompt, if you were liberal, why don't you want to move left? Which seemed to really draw the ire of the status quo civility voter. Yeah, yeah. They were pissed. They were very, very pissed and just sort of like uh making unhinged takes about that. So if you guys have not yet, go ahead and join the Patreon. Uh, we do two streams a week of varying length. Sometimes they are a little bit shorter, sometimes they're very long. And we watch uh a curated list of some TikToks of people going through it very making audacious, just terrible arguments, and we just sit there and uh stare at each other gobsmacked while we try to list the uh millions of microaggressions and just wrong thought in each TikTok. So, and that is uh because of those two things, Cappy, my feed has been uh almost irreparably soiled in until I uh start watching more Dragon Ball edits again or something. I don't know until get my algorithm back in line. Yeah, no, I could imagine.

SPEAKER_03

But mine's still mine's still nice and safe.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, and as a result, uh one of the people that we were looking at was this guy, reactionary leftists. What do you what do you so after so you've looked at some of these TikToks I've curated for you?

SPEAKER_03

I did. It made me mad. I wanted to punch the wall. I was immediately frustrated, and um his name is fitting, very fitting.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I don't know. Is he a leftist? Do you think? Reactionary leftist, reactionary underscore leftist is this guy, and I hate I hate a guy like this, Cappy. Oh, he's he's he's a like he's a dork. Above and beyond his just is just very, very black and white, zero sum game. If you're not with us, you're against us. Uh it's oh um the the term I was trying to think of earlier was uh Calvinistic. It's like this idea that as long as evil ex exists in the world, if you're not fighting it, then you're evil. Like you're in league with the devil if you're not fighting the devil, and Trump is the devil, ergo, unless you're voting for the lesser of evil, which is such a weird thing. You know what I mean? It's like you vote for a demon to be against the devil. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I I'd rather have the Strasserists over Hitler. Yeah, that's uh the Strasserist v. Hitler is a dynamic that we were talking about in the in the stream. So the Strasserists were sort of semi more left than the mainstream uh Nazi party.

SPEAKER_03

They were the left wing of the Nazi party, and they were the ones who were descended upon during the night of the long knives.

SPEAKER_02

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01

And and also, okay, but and that's different than the the uh the brown shirts uh who were r led by a a uh gay guy who eventually got purged because of it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. Um you're talking about uh Ernst Rahm, yeah, whatever his name is. Yeah. No, no, this was the uh Strasser brothers, and um they were still awful. It's still fascism. It's a little bit closer to um those weird terminally online third positionists you see. I think the the one of the biggest differences was they were just not as anti-Semitic, but they were still fucking awful.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Uh but I hate a type of guy like this, which is like, and I don't know. I'm looking at this, we don't really have guys like this on the West Coast, Cappy. What are you blaming this on the East Coast? A little bit. We don't have guys who do like, first of all, like on in California, if he fixed his voice to talk to people like this in real life, he'd have to fight.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah, no, he's he's got a chip on his on his shoulder for sure.

SPEAKER_01

No, I don't there's something about his tone or whatever. I hate a fake tough guy. I hate a guy who's like a nerd and misrepresenting himself online. Now I I did to get to give him the I I I clicked through some of his other ones. Some of his takes aren't even that bad. He's got he has some takes on there, which is sort of like I guess he's like sort of a um, he's a little bit of a virtue signal-y feminist. A little bit. I'm not I don't hate that. He had some interesting videos about him getting a vasectomy, which I wanted to laugh at, but you know, that's actually probably good and responsible. And it's good that uh hopefully he nipped it in the bud before he reproduced. But um, and he was like going over like a a sheet that he got that said, Hey, before you do this, here's some other things that you can do. Have you thought about like getting your wife sterilized? Have you thought about this? Have you thought I was like, oh my god. So there are so he uh some of I think some of his less fake tough guy, I'm begging to be punched in the face tonality. I think a lot of that is reserved for us. Yeah, yeah. He's only a fake tough guy when he's talking about people who have the courage of their convictions to not vote for two scoops of shit in their sandwich or one scoop of shit in their sandwich.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, no, and I I noticed whenever he addresses anybody younger than him or older than him, age instantly comes into it, which is just nonsense.

SPEAKER_01

He also likes to call women stupid a lot, I've noticed. Now he does not do a lot of stitches with dudes. A lot of the things that I've I've seen were him stitching women. Hmm. Some deep-seated misogyny. I don't know. I don't know, but that's a that's it's maybe that's just evidence of your nominal positions don't equate to real life, or just unchecked, yeah, uh unchecked uh sort of misogyny for lack of a better term. Yeah. Yeah, you know, uh sort of a differential on how you would treat men or women. I don't know. Now I'm not much for I don't really consider it like ableist, but he's very much doing the if you don't agree with me, you're stupid. People don't agree with me because you're stupid and you're naive. And that I want to say more about that, but I think all of us kind of do that because it's frustrating and it's hard to talk about this. But when you do talk about things like that, instantly people who internally know they're right are going to stop listening because it's like, brother, I'm obviously yes, I came to the same conclusions as you before. Yes, we've all had to go through the iterative stages of moving leftward and rejecting and unpacking liberalism, but yeah, the lesser evilism that comes standard in the duopoly. That is the like he's peddling. I don't know. Uh he says he's a reactionary, a leftist. I don't know. Like, it doesn't seem very radical if you were literally using duopolistic talking points that only exist to perpetuate the existence of the duopoly.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, there's nothing radical in any of the TikToks that I saw. It's it's nothing radical.

SPEAKER_01

Uh let me go ahead. Well, this is a little bit radical. Let me share my screen with you here. Uh share screen, Google Docs. Okay, I'm gonna play this first one here. So um over over the last couple weeks, we've been seeing Hassan v. Gordon Newsome. Gordon uh Gordon, uh uh, we've been seeing over the last couple weeks we've been seeing Hassan v. uh Gavin Newsom, where when pointedly asked, hey, uh, what do you think about Gavin Newsom? Are you going to be voting for Gavin Newsom? And Hassan was basically like, no, run somebody else. If you run Gavin Newsome, I'll probably vote third party. And that is the most infuriating. Then you see everything coming out. Oh, he's a tanky, he's pro-China, he's a misogynist. He's he's he's a Russia shill, a China shill, a tanky, a misogynist, uh, etc. etc. etc. A vain, a narcissist, a a fake leftoid because he makes money, etc. etc. etc. All of the old canards came out, and it was basically like uh Hassan being used as a lightning rod for the sort of internalized angst people have about people who dare to vote third party. Which is participating pr participating in the liberal in the uh the you're doing what liberals want at that point, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but yeah, but they want you to vote for their party. They want you to be stuck in the duopoly because they don't see a way forward through electoralism, right? They just they think that voting Democrat is going to be harm reduction. Um, you know, granted, we don't see a way forward through electoralism either, but we we we want to utilize it nonetheless.

SPEAKER_01

It's very interesting that term harm reduction, right? Uh, because harm reduction, I was just watching a video about this today, I was like, oh, that's a nice little mnemonic. Harm reduction is introducing actual harm reduction, i.e., it's like an epidemiological term for things like drug abuse or like uh AIDS. Yes. It's actually implementing things that actually help. Yeah. For instance, like clean needle drop-offs and actually supplying needles, right? Yeah. For for like people who would otherwise be prone to be using dirty needles and then also um put the population more at risk for like hepatitis and other intravenously or uh seminally transmitted diseases, right? Yeah, from sharing needles or whatever. But when applied to voting, it's not like I don't know how that works because it's literally like you're you're saying I'm voting for 70% devil versus 100% devil. It's like, well, where's the harm reduction? You're not yeah, you're not introducing a mechanism that actually prevents the harm from spreading, you're just spreading the harm.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I think most of us by now know that the Democrats don't really do harm reduction. And even when the question of harm reduction comes like up, I like to ask harm reduction for who?

SPEAKER_01

And uh we'll we'll get into we'll we'll unpack some of these things because that we have 10 TikToks here. Let's go ahead and get into it. Um, here's the first one that this is the one that this is the first one that came across my feed.

SPEAKER_00

If you're a fan of Hassan Piker, I assume you believe the international Jewish conspiracy. Like, I assume you are anti-Semitic and believe in the international Jewish conspiracy.

SPEAKER_01

Apropos of nothing, huh? Cappy, now we're not the biggest Hassan guys, but Hassan is like Lenin compared to this guy. Yeah, unfortunately, yeah. It's so like so now I'm not a big Hassan guy, but would you consider Hassan to be anti-Semitic?

SPEAKER_03

I have never heard Hassan say anything anti-Semitic. Granted, I don't really watch him, but you know, clips come up and I'll take a look at him, and and you and I have have watched a couple in our um in our streams and whatnot, and um I've never heard him say anything anti-Semitic. Is this a pro-Israeli talking point?

SPEAKER_01

Is that what this is? Or is this an issue where Hama or uh Hassan supports Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis?

SPEAKER_03

It it could be I'm not sure if he does, but if he did, first of all, based credit where it's due, uh second of all, I could imagine that that would ruffle this guy's feathers.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's what they for and I think that he is Jewish, and it's not really I I think that if I'm guessing I'm looking at him, he seems like a Jewish guy. Which is fair enough. Like it's not for me to tell people what is or isn't anti-Semitic, because I'm sure if I was Jewish, I would feel the vibes of anti-Semitism more. Like you you walk into a room and you're like, oh, these guys would like definitely push me in an oven. Yes, yes. You know, like I so it's not for me to really say, however, this very much seems like pro-Zionist, pro-Israeli State Department talking points that are villainizing um revolutionary groups in those areas that are fighting for sovereignty.

SPEAKER_03

I know that um, and I I believe it might be one of the TikToks we're covering, but someone does try to explain that Hassan doesn't say anything about Jewish people and it has to do with Zionism, and this guy kind of shits on that. Well, is that the next one up? I I think it is, right? Oh, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, let's listen to that one. So he says, uh, in reply to a comment, conflating Israel and Judaism is anti-Semitic. Genius.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's not a dog whistle if you don't hear it, you fucking Nazi. Oh no, they're not talking about the Jews, they're talking about the Israelis. The Israelis are controlling the world. Oh, I don't mean the Jews, you're you're being anti-Semitic. Fucking loop.

SPEAKER_01

Which seems like do you think he realizes he's being super bad faith?

SPEAKER_03

No, I don't think most liberals realize that they're being bad faith.

SPEAKER_01

I mean Although he like he but it there is a marked contrast in between like look, uh I don't even know what I'm doing here. I don't know why I'm equivocating, because the people who listen to this podcast probably want to hear a shellack uh him in the same way that he is sort of misinterpreting other people, but I don't really have it in that in me to do that. Yeah, I I want to actually like, well, let's uh you know, I actually have the you know, the empathy part of my brain works and I have third-person perspective, so I'm actually trying to imagine this guy's head and how he's reacting with the world. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03

Like because giving him the benefit of the doubt.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I I mean I don't know how much benefit there is to give per se, but I don't want to, it would probably be more entertaining if we just sat here and shit on this fucking guy. So we'll warm up to fucking shitting on him.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, well, yeah, I agree. And also, as it will become more and more clear as we go through these, uh, this guy is he strikes me as a contrarian. Like, this dude would have been so fucking annoying to hang out with in high school. You know he was sitting at the lunch table alone. No one wanted to be around him. He's that actually type guy. Like it it's it's frustrated me watching these.

SPEAKER_01

I hate a blustery tough guy for the status quo. Actually, you guys are all stupid. It's like, brother, you're voting for the corporatist duopoly. Like, what are you why are you why do you have this much base or gain in your voice? Why are you fixing your face to talk and cape for these people like this? They literally don't care, brother. And any single day, Kamala Harris would rather tongue kiss and warmly hold Liz Cheney than to talk to you at all. Yeah. They do not want your vote, they do not care. What Democrats want is Republicans to vote for them.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what what what I really like is you know, you can hear the vitriol in his voice when he addresses, you know, uh other leftists or communists, but none of that vitriol towards the Democrats, a capitalist party who works in the interests of the capitalist class. It's it's just very bizarre.

SPEAKER_01

And I think that he's doing the thing where he's frustrated. And I think I do think that this is true, where leftists criticize uh Democrats more because we've we're assuming that everybody knows the Republicans are bad. I only mentioned the Republicans to point out when the Democrats are in lockstep with those, like just a reminder, the Democrats and Republicans are in 100% agreement on this.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, that's there's a reason we do that, and it's because there are people who consider themselves progressives who think that they're doing the right thing by voting Democrat, and we want to win those people over. It should theoretically be easier to win those people over than to win over um Christian nationalists and and fucking, you know, what are essentially Nazis. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and you have you have um would-be leftist tailing Democrats who have yet to uh have frontal lobe development so as to see the inevitability of the decline of the duopoly, right? Or it's solidifieding uh solidifying into fascism. Right? Like the merging of the party. That's what these parties it's like that m uh recent movie with Allison Bree and uh or uh Dave Franco where the the the couple merges. I don't I've they're like they're like magnetically attracted to each other as soon as they touch their bodies, like smush them start merging. And like that's what's happening with the race to the middle with these two parties, right? Or the race to the race to the middle uh between them on the Overton window, not like actual centrism. Whatever you that whatever that even means in the American context anymore. Maybe you have like two far-right parties, and saying anything else is like asinine. No, yeah, yeah. So you have so there's an issue where you have uh the leftists um who would be otherwise uh or progressives who will be leftists later. You're courting them, and at the same time, you have to unpack the Democrat talking points that have been appropriated from leftists. So, like rhetorically and positionally, the Democrats are tailing the leftists with talking points. And uh there's also a thing where leftists have to court progressives and educate them to move left.

SPEAKER_03

Absolutely, yeah. Well, the Democrats do look and they they you know they're like, what are the what are the kids interested in these days? You know, what are the uh you know what what's the what's the word? We gotta do that, we gotta be like that, act like that, you know. So that's how we have to kind of wake, wake up the you know, so-called progressives and um you know, the those types of people and pull them over to our side.

SPEAKER_01

I think it's it's a misnomer or it's a misapprehension to think that the Democrats are actually looking at what young people do. What they do actually is pay young people to say certain things. That's that's that's very true. As we've learned, yeah. Yeah, and like for instance, someone else pointed a dynamic. They're like, Well, why do you think this happens? The Republicans were so bad and inept, they allowed Trump to come to power. They did not have the immune system to fight off Trump, and as a result, you had a cavalcade of never Trumpers. What happened to those never Trumpers? They became Democrats. Yeah, absolutely. They the whole their donors, their lobbyists, they're they're safe corporations, they became likely Democrat lobby lobbiers.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. Well, you you had people straight up leaving the Republican Party to join the Democrats because they didn't like Trump.

SPEAKER_01

Right, and let alone like independent voters. Yeah, yeah. And I all of this is to say, and never let these people gaslight you, Cappy. If there if there was a hundred percent turnout for uh for the vote on the the last uh presidential election in 2024, Trump would have won in a landslide. I also think he would have won. You know, like at all the polling shows. Yeah of the people who did not vote, they were far more inclined to vote for Trump. He would have won even harder. So, like, all of this is like they're literally beating up on the people who are forced or who are forced to be in a big tent with Democrats. They're literally just uh forever pummeling the left wing of their own party and uh keeping none of that energy for the Republicans, which is weird because the Democrats and their likely voters will then project that onto the leftists. How come you don't have any of that energy for Republicans? Why don't you? Yeah, right. You and you so much you even adopt their policies.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. The annoying thing is that we do. Like, I mean, come on now. Just look at the the the war right now with the US bombing Iran. I have seen uh communists talking about how much they hate Trump for the last month. You know what I mean? So I think it's a bit of a straw man.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Here's the here's the next video here. Uh this one says, in reply to comment, Bro is out here doing pro-Israeli uh pro-Israel propaganda for free. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. And here is his response.

SPEAKER_00

Buddy, you're just proving my point. When I say if you're a Hassan fan, I assume you're anti-Semitic, and your response is, oh, you're probably a Jew. That's exactly what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying about you guys. You're little Nazis in trading. And every time anybody criticizes your favorite guy, you assume that oh the Jews are doing it. Because you guys are fucking Nazis.

SPEAKER_01

So Bro is out here doing pro Israel prop for free.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I don't think that that's the thing he's he's. He's distorting what the person said. This guy's malicious.

SPEAKER_01

Like purposely, it's like usually if you were going to willfully misconstrue what someone says, don't put the quote on the screen.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's exactly why the last commenter was trying to tell him that conflating Judaism and Zionism is anti-Semitic.

SPEAKER_01

And here he is doing it again. Which is interesting because when you go through here and you click on this and you go to his link tree here, um the there's a link here that says Gaza death toll by month. So apparently he's pro-Palestine or I don't know pro-Palestine in the way. Or I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Like it's probably in the way that again, none of these people are actually pro-Palestine because they don't so you know they don't support Hamas. You know they don't support the rest of the Palestinian resistance or the accessive resistance. These are those types of people that are like, well, I think it's mean, down with uh Netanyahu. I support Palestine, but not any of the actual groups on the ground doing the fighting.

SPEAKER_01

I support the people. Or their government. It's like an anarchoid position. I I support the people, but not their state. It's like Hamas is their government. Like it's it's like fucking bizarre. So here is his pinned response, or here is his pinned comment.

SPEAKER_00

I'm just going to get a response out of the way for any past and future videos that the Never Kamala left will ever make about me. Okay? Here is the rundown. Read it at your own leisure. Alright. Okay. This is my response to all of the videos. I don't watch your videos, so if I didn't specifically address what you said, sorry. This is just general, like, this should cover just about everything you guys say.

SPEAKER_01

Um, okay. So he makes responses to videos he doesn't watch. Like he he's he's listening to talk. Right? He's just he just sort of lashing out at people who leave comments on his page. And how much of that is like, would he be doing this if that wasn't the sort of the meta for political conversations like this on TikTok? Like I I I I feel like it's very much incentivized, right? This sort of like vitriolic reaction to a comment.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, well, it it does um it does, it does get people to start, you know, people see and they go, ooh, what is this? It's the drama, you know, people like drama.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, my forever responses to all never comma the leftists. Number one, there is nothing wrong with voting for the best possible outcome, and anyone who doesn't is genuinely stupid. Number two, you complain about what dems do because you do nothing. Number three, you blame individual voters for actions of the federal government like ridiculous children. Weird. It's so bizarre because they really Okay, four, you ignore Republicans because your parents might see your videos and cut you off. Okay, five, you make videos about me because you're too scared to confront your Republican daddy. Six, you blame Dems for your failures. Seven, you claim victories you took no part in. Eight, like that it's so wild a Democrat voter saying this. Yeah, and like all of your plans are about what other people should do because you know you won't do shit. Nine, your revolution does less community work than my local church youth groups. Ten, yes, I am a white man, very observant. What are you noticing about these?

SPEAKER_03

Um, are we not allowed to criticize the Democrats? Like, because like they he seems to have a very big problem with anyone who criticizes the Democrats.

SPEAKER_01

The argument is is that you're like deincentivizing voters. Right? So we saw this against Madeline Pendleton. Uh, we saw this during the Kamala election. Uh, this is from 2025, so this is uh a full like nine, ten months after the general election, right? So and he he's still talking about never Kamala leftists so so like obviously this guy is in a fixed reactionary state, agitated state for like almost a full year after the general election, still coping, whining, and seething that one of the most and I've also seen him saying, like, when people are like she was just unlikable, no personality, he definitely does the thing like, oh, weird. So oh, okay, so when a black woman does a thing, he does that whole thing. It's like she can do no wrong because she's black, apparently. Or if you dislike Kamala, you're racist. If you criticize Israel, you're part you believe in the Jewish uh Pax Judah Judaica conspiracy. It's like, brother, come on, dog. And it's so like he's just doing agit prop. This is a what if for the democracy? This is one-way communication, and if you look at his comment section, it's so popular. They're just glazing. It's like Leonardo DiCaprio memes and people saying finally, bro is cooking bro is staring directly into the sun, bro is on the surface of the sun, how much he's cooking. It's like this is the most like tepid dem orbiter thing I've ever heard. And for them, it's like what they like is the intensity of his one-sided rhetoric.

SPEAKER_03

I I also think I notice an inconsistency. Point number three, you blame individual voters for actions of the federal government like ridiculous children. But in a couple we'll watch the video too. Doesn't he blame everyone who didn't vote for Kamala for ICE? Yes.

SPEAKER_01

And like instead of blaming the Republicans, it's not not only not only people who didn't vote for Kamala, for leftists in general. Yeah. Just people who have an opinion that the Democrats aren't a party worth voting for or responsible for ICE. But we'll get into that. We have a whole TikTok to watch about that. Yeah, but there's very and he's very inconsistent about that, about whether it matters. Uh you blame individual voters for actions of the federal government, but like, yeah, I blame people who voted for Nazis. I blame people who tried to vote for a top cop. Yeah. I blame you for being ignorant. Like, yes, you blame Republican voters too. Like, what do you mean? These guys hate the MAGA people. Oh, of course, yeah. Like, what do you mean? Yes, we blame and we criticize people who vote poorly. Which, you know, if you're going to vote, it's one thing if you're like, I just don't have faith in the system. I cannot get up and put shoes on to go vote for this. Like, you have literally crushed the indomitable hope that is instilled in almost every American, cultivated from school and civics lessons and everything else, right? Yeah. Um they like like the Democrat Party, through their banality, their doublespeak, their lying, fake uh campaign policies, and uh recalcitrance or reluctance to do anything other than tail Republicans forever, which uh he actually gets into. He blames the leftists for that. It blames leftists for everything. We're respon not only are we responsible for ice, but we're responsible for Democrats then um uh who will inevitably keep ICE going.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, what is that what is that um uh yeah, his whole thing about the the Democrats follow the Republicans and it's it's our fault they do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Uh you claim victories you took no part in, brother. That's literally what the Democrats do. They they still want they still want credit for the Civil Rights Act. The Civil Rights Act was done to stave off a revolution because there were so many leftist activists. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like they act like the Democrats wanted to do the Civil Rights Act. They did not. No, yeah. They did not want to do that. They did that so the government wouldn't lose power.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like this guy can't even act like he's a leftist who is voting Democrat for harm reduction, but you are a Democrat. Just admit it. Take the mask off. You're a fucking Democrat. No, I think his name is uh a meme. Yeah, I bet some well, at first I was like, maybe someone called him reactionary, and so he was like, uh reactionary leftist. But no, like he is.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, I think he thinks he's a leftist because he is like a feminist and probably anti-ICE. Yeah. So that it's in his head, he's like uh Antifa.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I guess he's he's if if we're only considering the current, you know, the the establishment, right, Democrat-Republican, then I guess technically he would be a leftist because he's the left wing of a of a right-wing duopoly, but he's a left wing of fascism. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

And that's 100% true, and that's like hard for Democrats to hear. You're the left-wing fascist, you're the Strasserist. Yeah. That's what you are, yeah. Yeah. Uh all of your plans are about what other people should do. This is so okay, Cappy. What are the role of what is the role? Uh a proper ML of good uh dialectical understanding, uh using dialectical uh uh materialism, historical materialism, uh trapped in the imperial core. What is what mechanism should we be utilizing towards raising consciousness, toward doing agit prop? What role does elections play uh for us as communists in the imperial core in a bourgeois democracy?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so um, you know, Lenin talks about this in left-wing communism and infantile disorder. The name of the chapter is Should We Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments, right? Straightforward. And uh there are a couple of reasons why we should do this. One, it it gets our name out there, right? Um two, I believe it was Engels who mentioned it, we can use it as a gauge. Uh, but three, it also shows the masses how the system runs, that the system's rigged. You get what I mean? And so the job of a communist is not to tail the Democrats, is not to tail the Republicans. The job of a communist is to run communists from a communist party, right? And try and pull people in to to that party. So this is like what you see the I don't know if it was the PSL who ran Claudia or if it was a couple different parties.

SPEAKER_01

I think the Peace and Freedom Party or whatever in California ran Claudia Delacruz as their candidate, which is kind of interesting because so when you have a very strong third-party candidate, they're like reform in one country or in one state, and they're another like independent in another, it's just how they can get on the ballot. Yeah. So I think in California, Claudia Dela Cruz ran under that party, the one that Madeline Pendleton apparently is a mobilizer for, activist for, and in other states where she could, I think she ran as PSL. I don't I I think it depends on where you're at.

SPEAKER_03

Well the the I think the fact of the matter is, and Lennon mentions this, although, right, we we as communists understand that historically speaking, um uh bourgeois elections are we're we're past that, right? We we need revolution. Uh however, the masses are not up to speed on that yet. The masses are very much still engaged with and participating in bourgeois uh electoralism. And so that's why we do need to enter um into that uh how could I put it?

SPEAKER_01

That's why we do need to enter into um you know bourgeois elections to try and essentially awaken as like but not only do they majority of them participate in, the only way you can participate in political conversations is through the vector of Team Red, Team Blue. There's no earnest economic analysis, there's no like apolitical economic analysis going on. It's all like Trump did this thing and it's bad, and here's why Trump's evil. Oh, Kamala did this thing and here's why she's a communist. Yep. You know, it's it's all conversations painted in that way. Americans need, they are so the the duopoly is so fundamental to how they see the world. Uh every every single one of their political positions is tainted by it.

SPEAKER_03

Absolutely. And we and we have to meet them where they're at. You know what I mean? We we always say that communists have to meet the people where they're at. Well, unfortunately, uh in the political sense, they're still engaging in bourgeois electoralism.

SPEAKER_01

It occurs to me that we should think about it as there's still utility in participating in the um electoral endeavors in the elections, because for agit prop purposes and just for advertising that the party exists.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. It's we are essentially utilizing it for educational purposes.

SPEAKER_01

Right. So so I say all that to say that uh point eight, all of your plans are about what other people should do. It's like, well, that's sort of like the role of agit prop. Yes, we're raising consciousness. Absolutely, yeah. We see you doing state status quo, uh, State Department shenanigans parades. We see you going on your police parades, and we're saying this isn't da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And they hate that because they're like, you know, just technically, it's sort of like, you know, the people who this it reminds me very much of like, uh, remember like the Mr. Beast thing where so Mr. Beast uh had that thing where he was like, uh save our oceans or whatever if you donate X amount of dollars or whatever, or do one thing and I'll uh remove X amount of plastic from the ocean. And then people pointed out like it's actually unsustainable, and you're actually emitting way more carbon emissions by doing this, so it's like a net negative towards the environment for you to even endeavor to do this. It's not sustainable because those boats run on diesel. It doesn't make sense what you're doing, you're actually harming the environment more by trying this, and people were like, Oh, you're just mad because they're doing something. It's like, no, you're not hearing what I'm saying. What I'm saying is it's this is a perverse action. So, so, and they hate they have that like, well, why don't you do the thing that you want to do? It's like, brother, part of me getting to do the thing that I want to do is to let people know that participating in democratic protests are backwards, or in is or that this is fine, it'd be better if this like they they get vehemently mad when you say, like, okay, that's fine, I guess, but it would be better if you did this. They can't stand it, like, at all. They're like, You don't do anything, you don't do anything. I'm like, I just was trying to tell you not to put a fork in the fucking socket that is doing something.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it will we look, we we could talk about whether or not the communist parties are doing enough, but uh that's beside the point. The fact of the matter is that if somebody is voting for the a a third party and it happens to be a uh communist or a socialist that they're voting for, they're probably organized in an organization.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so you your revolution does less community work than my local church, okay, and less pedophilia too. Like, what are you talking about, dog? Like, oh okay. Okay. Fair enough. And also, you your church gets way more donations than the communists do. Yeah, oh, absolutely. So what are we talking about? Your church doesn't pay taxes and is filled with pedophiles. So, like, what do like, okay, and what do you mean? And the youth groups, your the youth groups at your local churches are likely Republican voters. So what are you talking about? Oh yeah, yeah. So so like literally, what was point four? You claim uh you claim responsible, uh you claim victories you took no part in. Okay, brother. The youth Christian fucking youth groups are fucking Fuentes voters. Yeah, yeah, well. What does that have to do with you? Yeah, yeah. This guy's a fucking nerd. He just sucks so fucking bad, you know. I I don't know. But like, and it's really just ideological, right? He's just stuck in this sort of the he's stuck in that dynamic of caping for dams. I don't know. We have to fucking move on. Democrats are better than Republicans. Let's fucking try to get through some of these. So in this one, he says, again, though, all of your points are just repackages. At least the Democrats are better talking points instead of engaging in the conversation. Uh you double down. Also, I think it's interesting, dot dot dot dot truncated. And here's his response.

SPEAKER_00

If you weren't so fucking childish and were capable of simply acknowledging that Democrats are better than Republicans, there could be a whole lot of different conversations. But the reason people keep telling you Democrats better is because you idiots can't just accept it. It's because you refuse to acknowledge the reality that Democrats are better. And that's why your politics are simply Dems bad. That's all you care about. Right? We could have a different conversation. But you're stuck on oh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, you think Democrats are good. No, Democrats are better than Republicans. And until you're capable of fucking acknowledging that, until we can agree that that's the fucking reality, we can't have any different fucking conversations because I'm gonna have to keep telling you the basics of reality that Democrats are better than fucking Republicans. You fucking child.

SPEAKER_01

Better for who? You think Yeah, no number one, you do think Democrats are good. Because if you have a battery that has 20% uh charge and one that has 60% charge, and I ask which is better, you're gonna point at the one that's 60%. You do think that's the good one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like so, like that is you think it's good enough to go vote for dog? Like what do you like what do you mean? You do think it's the good option because you're making it. Like what what do you mean? So it's like literally just a semantic fucking point. And also, did you I I noticed a trend here. What are the policies of the Democrats that what are the good how are they better?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. Well, that's that's exactly what I mean. It's and I I hate these types of people because they never they're they'll at the very least they'll think about the American public. They don't think about though how certain Democrat policies affect the whole rest of the fucking world. Better for who? Were the Democrats better for Gaddafi in Libya? I don't fucking think so. You know what I mean? Where the where the like it it blows my mind.

SPEAKER_01

It's n necessarily hyper focused on uh the settlers. Yes, always. Yeah, it's just hyper-focused. Like, look, I want health care. On my stolen land, I want healthcare, so I'm going to vote for the blue fascists that are going to that like and again, my issue with a and this is a guy who's our age, right? Yeah. So how many times he's like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football? Literally, how many times are they gonna okie doke you? No, yeah, yeah. Like, brother, they don't do a single fucking thing they promise electorally. Kamala Harris couldn't even, by the end of her election, at least Barack Obama waited till he was elected to switch up. Kamala Harris was switching up in the months leading up, like, oh, uh, trans rights, you know what, leave it up to the states. Actually, yeah, I am pro-invasion. I am pro-regime change in other countries. It's like she couldn't even lie all the way to the end of the campaign.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Because she was scrambling and trying to court more and more right-wingers throughout the whole thing. Like, brother, like what positions do you think that they would have? I don't even know, like, I I can't think of a position that you're in explain. Trans trans people, I guess. Yeah, there are harm reduction for trans trans people. But the problem is Democrats don't do anything about that. What they do is they're just not a Republican.

SPEAKER_03

That's yeah, that's literally it. And and I think the thing that this guy keeps missing is that the reason why people didn't vote if if the Democrats would have come out and said, We will stop funding Israel, we'll stop funding a genocide in Palestine. Guess what? People would have voted for them.

SPEAKER_01

She would have won. She would have won. But she definitely would have won if she had said, I am against Benjamin Netanyahu. That's all she needed to say. People did not want to stop. She didn't have to say Israel. It didn't have to be that serious because a lot of these, a lot of these anti- or or quote unquote pro-Palestinian people are just sort of like anti-this current action. Yeah. Yeah. I mean So that's all she said. I will immediately cease funding for Israel while they're doing this campaign. Yeah. That would have been enough.

SPEAKER_03

You they would have had communists voting for them for the sake of the Palestinians. You know what I mean? I don't think it's controversial to say, hey, I'm not going to vote for a fucking party that's committing a genocide.

SPEAKER_01

There's so much of this, like, and I've been I've been awash in a sea of these bad takes about like really just like Democrat cope and like wish casting about the Civil Rights Act. And the like, do you know the last time we had all three branches of government? And you know what they did? The uh Affordable Care Act. And then I'm like, I like paused the video and I like looked at my ceiling and I was like, that's literally a Republican bill. Yeah, yeah. It's literally Romney care. Yeah. A Republican vulture capitalist did that to enfranchise and increase the profits of insurance companies. Yeah. Like it's a far, it's a right wing bill to enfranchise people to also incur medical debt. Yeah, yeah. That's that that I mean that's all it created it created a little bit more exposure for some insurance companies. That's all it did. Yeah. But it fundamentally did not change anything, and uh healthcare outcomes in America aren't better after.

SPEAKER_03

Well, I was, you know, that's the thing too that I'm surprised this guy doesn't realize by now is that the Democrats never change anything. Like the Overton window never moves left, it constantly is moving right. The Democrats have become more right.

SPEAKER_01

Let's uh he so he has a post about this. Uh the those of us who didn't like Kamala didn't like her for reasons that pertain to genocide, and everyone ignores that fact, blames leftists for Trump's election and ICE. So here is it. So now we're getting into the nitty-gritty.

SPEAKER_00

I don't care why you spent the last year trying to get Trump in office. I don't care what bullshit reason you have for helping Trump get elected. You helped. You were pushing the rhetoric, you were telling people not to vote for Kamala, you helped Trump get elected. So everything. That happens under Trump's administration, you are responsible for because you helped reach this outcome. You weren't the whole thing, you were part of it. And so every ice raid, no, you share in the responsibility for those ice raids.

SPEAKER_01

It doesn't even apply. That applies more to what this person's saying than he is. You are responsible for voting for Kamala, and Kamala is responsible for having terrible fucking policies and running a shitty fucking election and the Democrats not having a fucking primary. What are you literally talking about? You are responsible for Trump getting it's one thing if she fucking won. Yeah. She didn't. She ran a bad campaign. It's not the left. If you add up every leftist in the world, every leftist in America, fucking magically have made them fucking vote and then tally them on to the fucking total, Trump still wins. What are you talking about? If and if in in in a less in in uh let's make that less hyperbolic, it's a known fact. If you tally up all the leftoid voters and then make them Kamala voters, Trump still wins. So what are you talking about? It was literally, why was Kamala giving them so many grounds? So, like literally his implicit take here is you have to not point out when our candidates are terrible, or else you're a Nazi.

SPEAKER_03

It's ridiculous. And and also, if if the left is responsible for these ice raids because we didn't vote for Kamala, who the fuck was responsible for the ice raids during the Biden administration? Is this guy responsible? Or what about the fact that, and I I mentioned this the other night in the in the live stream, up until this point, at least so far, Obama um deported more people than the Trump administration has.

SPEAKER_01

And drone strike more people in the global war on terror.

SPEAKER_03

Than any other than any other president up until that point. Yeah, like I mean, so who's responsible for that?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. You're responsible for static stochastic rhetoric which led to malaise and lowered support for fake populists, fake progressive democrats. So pointing out reality, you're responsible and a Nazi, and uh you're a Trumper for pointing out reality which disincentivize people to vote for the left wing of the of the left wing of fascism in America.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Uh I'd be curious too. Is is this guy part of an ICE rapid response team? Is he out there organizing with his community and showing up to the places where ICE does to attempt to de-arrest people and to try and get food to people who can't leave their houses? No, it's it's the leftist. It's the people who he who he hates and who he has so much vitriol against. It's them doing that.

SPEAKER_01

No, he prefers the the Hitler youth at the churches. That's what he likes. And I also want to point out he's wearing a pussy hat or something in this. Um okay. Uh this guy sucks. Which is so bizarre, right? It's a very Calvinistic framing of like so unless you're fighting the devil, you're part of you you have succumbed to the devil's wiles. You are of the devil if unless you are in a perpetual warfare with it. Uh, which is interesting because then he has this take.

SPEAKER_00

The revolution is just a rapture for them. They believe that if the conditions get bad enough, the proletariat will be forced to rise up. And so they get to tell themselves that they're better than everybody, and it'll be proven correct when Jesus comes again. Oh wait.

SPEAKER_01

So Yeah, that one's frustrating. It's so it's so fucking bizarre. It's so uh, what is the communists early? Evangelicals who treat revolution like rapture, and I this is a very popularized um left of center talking point against Marxists who do purity testing and act like evangelicals when they literally are like uh electoral Calvinists who see Trump as the devil and therefore anything that's not Trump is better.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I I um I also I you know it it it grinds my gears. It's we don't believe that if conditions get bad, the proletariat will rise up. Historically speaking, that's what has happened, okay? So it's not a belief, it is actual reality. When conditions get bad, the working class decides, hey, maybe we should do something about this. And because of that trend, yeah, we've had revolutions all across the world, from Eastern Europe to Latin America to Africa to uh West Asia to Southeast Asia, so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_01

Those are all places where there wasn't anti-communism, though. I don't think conditions getting bad is good enough because conditions got pretty bad in West Germany and they're not communist. Well in Nazi Germany and in America, conditions have been bad long enough to foment this, except that we don't have this is my issue with like communizers and like uh left comms. They think that as like as far as I can tell, they think that people are just going to spontaneously realize that Marxism is good without like a a vanguard party disseminating talking points.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, no. Um that spawn the spontaneity thing was addressed by Lenin. That that's complete nonsense. But uh to bring it back, did you say that those places didn't have anti-communism? I'm sure they did, but not like America. Like Yeah, well, no, I mean, because like the Bolsheviks had to go underground. Yeah. Right? The Tsar wanted their head. I mean, uh all communist movements have seen um repression. I think that the the the case of America is because although things have gotten bad uh relative to our normal, luxurious lives, we still do have it better than a lot of other places. I mean, some people might not like this, but even being homeless in America is easier than being homeless in a lot of other places.

SPEAKER_01

I'm from San Diego, you don't gotta tell me. Yeah, no, it's 70 degrees year-round. Like people literally migrate to San Diego to be homeless.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, people choose, which you know, not not to say it in a reactionary way, but uh as someone who who came from the punk scene, there are people who choose to be homeless. They they feel like that that's freedom, and they're fine. Well, and not only full garbage bags.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, a lot of the contrary options are like Salvation Army and uh other places like that, homeless shelters that impose very stringent regulations. You have to be in by a certain time, they go through your stuff, etc. etc. It is like a it violates your sovereignty to to be there. Sure.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. But this is, you know, I I mean I the the punk scene always struck me as weird because I never met so many people in my life who chose and wanted to be homeless and felt like it was freedom. I'm like, don't you want a house and a shower? You know what I mean? When I first started becoming a Marxist, I it I was even more like, holy shit, the punk scene is so weird because it's like these people choose to do this. Like it's like it's and it's it's not super hard for them. They can busk and make a bunch of money. Like I said, you're pulling full garbage bags of perfectly fine food out of dumpsters. I mean, there's a lot of countries where where that wouldn't be a thing, but we overproduce so much here, you know what I mean? So I think by every metric, we are still more privileged, and and they still give us enough to quell, right? To to to quell any sort of revolutionary um uptick we we may have.

SPEAKER_01

So, like you're saying an ancillary, an ancillary side effect of consumerism is soft leftoids, being that we're producing like Dunkin' Donuts where they have so much food you can just like feed yourself by dumpster diving. Yeah, or even the luck when the left is soft. No, that's what I heard.

SPEAKER_03

The point I'm trying to make is that we have a labor aristocracy here, a very big one. And the reason why we have it is because through imperialism, through the blood of the third world, the state has been able to to furnish us a luxurious life, even people in the worst conditions here, right? If we s if we're speaking relatively, are still doing better than anybody in Palestine. It's it's not bad enough for the treatly rights. Yeah, that's it's it's I and the thing is is even if it got bad enough, I think we would see more of a rise in fascist movements here. Very reactionary population. You not even would will. Well, yes.

SPEAKER_01

You will we that is incoming. That is definitely incoming. That will happen, it's assured to happen. I don't see anything else, and not only that, I see it like a military coup happening. Pete Hedseth is like firing all the general. Like, this is there's nothing good coming. All right, let's get through this. Let's try to get under the under an hour with this. Okay, this one really, this one really is like this the think of the the mental calisthenics necessary to say this.

SPEAKER_00

Hey kid, I know this is like the second election that you poser ass leftists have ever dealt with, but guess what? When a team wins, people follow their lead. People see a winner and they're like, oh, we should follow the winner. So when you let Republicans win, you teach Democrats to follow their fucking lead. You don't teach Democrats to go further left when you let further right politicians win the seat they were going for, you dumb fucks. Where do you get these stupid fucking ideas?

SPEAKER_01

Democrats are purposely ignoring polling data that shows how popular leftist positions are in America. They go out of their way to not implement policies. The issue isn't that they're that they're ch tailing winners, they are tailing Republican voters.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's what they want. They don't want to mobilize non-voters, they don't want those because those guys are going to vote third party. They only want safe duopoly voters voting. That is the issue. They are like the and it's done because lobbyists and packs and everything else like that are State Department slash corporatist lobbyists. So they want the the corporatist the fucking duopoly voters and nothing else. Like the like I don't understand and the reason the reason why the Democrats lost is because of the vote blue no matter who. It foments this this dynamic where they think that they have created a situation where people will do lesser evilism every time. And under that metric, they think it's a net gain to vote center-right Democrats.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. What what I don't like about this is it's like if say, you know, it that's true that the Democrats just follow the Republicans when they win and and they go more right. Uh, why aren't you fucking bringing that up with the Democrats? Shouldn't you be critiquing them for that instead of blaming people who didn't vote for Kamala? Like, it's so fucking weird. Like, dude, have you not realized that your system the system here is broken? It's fucking broken. And the parties don't work within the interests of the people. And so when you blame in like it's just it blows my mind. I don't I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's it's just really, really he and at no did you hear him criticize the Democrats for number one, did any of these say a Democrat position that he liked or criticize a Democrat for something that they've done?

SPEAKER_03

No, I in fact one of the things that annoyed me was this guy keeps talking about all their policies. Well, name one that's better, dude.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, like they literally they literally can't, and add and to compound upon that, there is no thing that the Democrat or the Republicans are doing that the Democrats will undo. Or that they wouldn't do themselves. He's he's finger wagging, chastising, and intol insulting the intelligence uh intelligences of people who are pointing out Democrats do bad things by saying Democrats' policies are better, and he's calling them uh naive when it seems like he's the naive one because he keeps falling for the okie doke and he doesn't realize that these are just electoral talking points, and that the Democrats absolutely do not and will never follow through with them. Yeah, yeah, like a hundred percent it's just a lie, and they the Democrats will increase funding for ICE when they get in power. They will a hundred percent. They'll be they they will come to some conclusion where it's like, oh well, we only we only use paramilitaries within ICE, and we have reduced, we put a cap on the amount of IDF that can be in ICE. Oh, we only allow them to wear their masks on Wednesdays and Fridays now.

SPEAKER_03

It will, oh my god, it will be some see, I hate that. Liberals are always criticizing ICE for like, for instance, they'll be like, oh, you know, well, they don't get enough training. And it's like, no, the problem isn't, oh great. So a trained ICE would be better than an untrained one, you fucking idiot. It's the issue with ice is not that they're not trained well, it's that they're fucking fascists and they're rounding people up, putting them in concentration camps, and deporting them.

SPEAKER_01

That's the issue. And in like literally, in as much as I can tell, like this guy does talk about ice, does he actually believe like so his position is talking about da da da da, they don't want the they don't want to abolish ice. So he's like he seems to understand that abolishing ice is good. However, is he thinking that any of the Democrats are going to do that?

SPEAKER_03

Because they're not. Look at look at the example we had from Trump's first administration to the Biden administration. All of a sudden, the the you know, Democrats, they lightened their language. Oh, these what they were calling concentration camps that existed under the Trump administration were now overflow facilities, and they still existed, and people were still being deported.

SPEAKER_01

So how how are how are the leftists responsible for the Democrats not having any political leverage on their political adversaries? Why is it that Republicans can railroad and get Supreme Court picks in there? And this is this is relevant because the conversion therapy bill that just came out, some states had had anti-conversion therapy things, and the Supreme Court just recently ruled that you're violating free speech by trying to stop conversion therapy. Okay, and then it got me thinking, oh, okay, but why is why was Obama such a fucking pussy and he couldn't just railroad and do punitive things against the Republicans until they were forced to allow um the nomination and the the vetting um uh hearings to go through to get these picks in? Yeah. Why is it that the Republic the Democrats grab ankle and vote for Republican nominees while a Democrat ones or froze out? Why did we allow that to happen? And how much like how are the leftists responsible for that?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, also I notice sometimes what the Democrats do too, and I I believe Joe Biden did this, was they'll sign shit right at the end of their um uh term. And then when the Republicans get elected, they just undo everything right away, right? It's like a safe move for the Democrats because they don't actually have to commit themselves to the policy. I believe Biden passed something that would have been good for Cuba's sake, and it was undone by the Trump administration immediately.

SPEAKER_01

And now look at the situation where not only that, not only that, uh Obama did uh lightened up relationships with Cuba and Biden undid it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, these people are fucking snakes. There it's just it's just like Cope, and he's like sitting there calling us naive. He's like, brother, you're literally lying. Like, I understand, like, and it's like honestly, where is the harm reduction, dog? The thing is, if I earnestly thought that was real, I would do it, but like I honestly don't. Yeah, the Democrats do not do harm reduction for marginalized communities, they just don't. No, they they what they do is they put a freeze on it, they keep it at current levels of red uh of harm that the Republicans instilled, and then they they uh hold the line for four years, and then Republicans get in and do more harm. Yeah, no, but that is not harm reduction, that is harm maintenance.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, at the very least they keep it at the same level.

SPEAKER_01

At the very and they it's not even that because they have to do, they have to like do uh as part of budgets they sign in, they like do um um inflation offsetting a line item increases to budgets. So Democrats not only will they not abolish ice, they'll increase funding for it. Oh yeah, absolutely. I agree 100%. There's no and they might throw in a line about extra even extra funding because they're they're gonna give sensitivity training to the Gestapo. Yeah, they'll reform ICE. While while like literally voting for I mean, I ICE, Imperial Boomerang, uh cop cities. Like what like what are we like the Democrats are fucking hardcore imperialists like trying to kick off World War III.

SPEAKER_03

Like, what are we talking about? And they're all they're all Zionists too. It's it's like that like whether or not it was Kamala or Trump, it didn't make a difference for the Palestinians. It probably wouldn't have made a difference for the Iranians, considering the way Kamala was speaking about Iran. It doesn't make a difference for the DPRK ever. It doesn't make a difference for anybody outside in the rest of the world who has to endure American imperialism.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so this guy's this guy has a first of all, we we both mog him. He's ugly, he's puffy, he's dumb, he's wrong, he's naive, he sucks, he's a reactionary underscore leftist. This guy fucking sucks. If you guys are listening to this, go like look at the comments on his video and just the amount of like settler cope and glaze for you know the people who want one scoop of shit in their sandwich versus two scoops of shit is just like bizarre. This guy's mad at all the fucking wrong things, and hopefully one day he just like fucking decides like life has become too much and takes some steps towards that. That's all we can hope for. I hate America because of guys like this.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. No, in fact, speaking of his comments, under one of his TikToks, I saw somebody saying, like, talking shit on um people like us who celebrated the discontinuation of USAID, you know, the the the type of funding that goes to the net and it's it's a tool of imperialism, and he liked it. Of course.

SPEAKER_01

It'd be it they're just they like the I don't this guy does not have a problem with subjugating well, like harm reduction for yeah, like you said, not around not around the southern hemisphere. Yeah, for not around, not for anybody around the world. No, they're they're harm maximalists for them as long as this guy gets his treats and look at his puffy face. You know he loves his fucking treats. Okay, everybody, that's it. Uh online uh patreon.com slash online leftist. We do two live streams a week. Cappy, is there anything else you want to tell these people?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, uh, you know, don't do anything Cappy wouldn't do and uh don't talk to cops or this guy because he fucking sucks and he's a weirdo. He fucking sucks so fucking bad. Alright, everybody, bye bye. Online leftists!