Episode 011: Hasan Piker is a Communist Now!

Globoidtv and Redarmycapybara discuss the recent discourse surrounding Hasan Piker after he was spotted reading ‘What Is To Be Done?’ by Lenin, in the midst of growing backlash.

The episode explores whether this moment represents a genuine shift, a calculated response to pressure, or simply another layer of performance in the world of political streaming. Along the way, they break down Hasan’s role as a lightning rod for liberal outrage, Hasan's purpose and intent as a leftist, if he is a democratic shill, the broader question of what a serious communist presence in streaming spaces would actually look like, and a brief exploration of Lenin's work.

In this episode we cover:

• Hasan being photographed reading What Is To Be Done? following public backlash and political scrutiny.
• Whether this was a genuine engagement with Marxism, a signal to his audience, or a form of damage control.
• The idea of Hasan as a “lightning rod” for liberal electoral anger, especially in the aftermath of Democratic losses.
• Whether Hasan is actually a communist, a socialist entertainer, or something in between.
• Hasan’s political positions: anti-imperialism, electoral strategy, NATO, Israel-Palestine, and his relationship to the Democratic Party.
• His history with electoral politics, including third-party voting, “uncommitted” campaigns, and refusal to support candidates like Gavin Newsom.
• The contradiction between criticizing the Democratic Party while still operating within its broader political orbit.
• The function of political streamers as entertainers vs. organizers.
• What Lenin actually argues in What Is To Be Done?, including: 
  • The critique of spontaneity and economism
  • The need for a disciplined, professional revolutionary party
  • The role of theory and conscious leadership
  • The importance of political agitation beyond trade union struggles
• What Hasan could take away from Lenin’s work if engaged with seriously.
• What a “perfectly executed” communist streamer would actually look like in practice.
• Intermittent communizer, leftcom, and anarchist slander
• General banter about Marxism-Leninism.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Cappy, did you see that that villainous weasel spontex, that Western chauvinist, uh liberal, that rad lib? Do you see that uh uh he responded to us? Yeah, I did. I did see that. Very exciting. Did you notice that he didn't actually refute any one of any single one of our points? No. No, how could he? I don't know. Accurately describe apparently the the way to get in and out of the I have found the Kryptonite for left comms. What you do is accurately describe them, and they are left stupefied. They don't know what to say, all they can do is whine and commiserate in comment sections. Yeah, a month later. A month later. Yeah, still, still, yeah, Conifesto's still going on about it. It's like brother, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

I'm more shocked that it took Spontex a whole month to come up with that fucking video.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

I don't I I don't even know what they and what's worse is it affirmed we didn't we actually took a break because we didn't want to scapegoat him and put a lot of sideways words in his mouth because there's lots of different branches of communizers. And then he he uh on top of not refuting anything we said, which affirms he's a Western chauvinist radlib, um on top of that, it affirmed that yeah, he ascribes and recommends people read all the various sex of uh communizers, of which we have detailed notes because they say some of the most asinine bullshit I have ever heard that you would think that he would want to distance himself from, but no, apparently he is embracing it. Communization theory in general, keys thumbs up, he supports those people out of all of those various liberal French organizations, rad femmes, and people who think spontaneous, spontaneous labor movements that are ad hoc, uh created, amount to nothing, and disappear like a fart in the wind. That that is the peak of communism.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

That's the revolution.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

That's the revolution. The revolution is like uh um uh a phantom turd. It's the turd with no wipe. That is the hallmark of a non-bureaucratic, non-mediated revolution in the communizer's brain, which is the silliest bullshit I've ever heard. And we'll we're going to tackle this at great length uh at a later date. Someone who's actually has clout, Hassan Miker, who's now a communist. Yeah, let's go! We got another one. Saved another communist from uh we made sure that he did not go over to the dark side of left com, i.e., liberalism. Kappy, what's the difference between a left comm and a liberal? It's basically command economy plus liberal concessions to workers.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

I don't even know if if if you could say they believe in a command economy. I think that they might some Yeah, well it depends, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Because it's such a broad left comms are so broad, but um are pro-vanguard, some are anti, some are pro-Lenon, some are anti, some are abolish the value form. Some are communizers, slash anarchists, slash liberals who use Markian Marxian rationale to elaborate their naive, impotent, infantile, and inert political goals of I don't even know, uh liberalism with Marxian tendencies. Yeah, yeah. I don't even know.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

It's like uh it's just liberalism masked by Marxism.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

Yeah. Um liberalism with the block party. Fiesta, you know, they get it out in the streets and they they make some noise, but they're still liberals. Which is which is funny because communizers literally at the end of this excoriating refutation that we've done, repudiation of these assorted left comms who are uh apparently a group of five 17-year-olds and a 50-year-old person, which is uh that's an odd click. It's an odd click. These people will each individually collectively wring their fists, gnash their teeth, and collectively delete all their social media presence, which is good. That is the most revolutionary action any left comm could do short of deleting themselves, is deleting their social media. So we endeavor to have them accomplish that. And we will help them out with that goal.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Yeah, oh absolutely. Then we don't have to have them poisoning the brains of people online anymore. Just poison themselves.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Yeah. Um, let's see here. So Hassan, Hassan Piker, he was seen reading What is to be done by Lennon. Cappy, have you read this? You've read this in the past, I'm sure. Yes, yeah, it's been a while, but I've read it. It's been a while. It is it is a looping quote unquote sustained polemic. It keeps going on and on and on. It's like a fever dream by Lennon, where you're like a fly in the wall listening to him narrate each and every subsequent draft of the same seven points that he has 30 times each. And at the end, you if you were a fly in the wall, you'd want to poke out each and every one of your eyes. However, the meat and potatoes are what he said, valid, historically validated, and true. And I think that so I was talking with someone about this. Like, why do I even care about this? The material conditions, which is another thing Spontex hates because he's not a Marxist, people who bring up the material conditions, right? Uh uh the material conditions of Russia are different. The communication lines, the the people, the culture, the way business is operated. There's some similarities. You could look at them and recognize they're human, but how they are actuated and how they are sustained, the mechanisms that run them, how police work, different police cultures, investigatory methods would necessitate different tactics, right? However, in reading what is to be done, we see the rationale for why they had to do the rationale for what they need to be careful about and what to do it, because there are similar things that we do need to be careful about, although the tactic tactics change. So, in the very least, reading a thing like this for a young communist gets you to start to uh starting to think about, oh, that's interesting. That's not one for one with my situation, but this thing is like this, and they do monitor us like this, and they do have to worry about this. So you then start to build up your own dialogue tree or sort of list of actions to take to do your secret planning, which is one of the premises of what is to be done, that uh it is required of a not yet established central committee or Bolshevik party how to take the fractionated and crumpled international movement and how to turn that into something actionable locally, because there's too many chefs, right, in the kitchen with uh diverging narratives, and there was a and it uh it was what Lenin saw to be an inflection point in between tailist economical organizing or spontaneous uh spont spontaneity, spontaneous action that would uh serve trade unionist goals and thus vicariously affirm bourgeoisie value form, uh for lack of a better term, right? The social relationships of of capital as as extant in Russia at the time, versus a s a group of secretive trained professionals who would actuate and enliven these already spontaneous protr uh protests with a coordinated plan that could actually supplant the autocracy with something useful.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Yeah, basically harnessing the the uh trying to to um how could I put it to direct the spontaneity of the masses, to direct it you know, into something cohesive.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

And train people who would be able to do that, to take workers and other people who were agitators and activists and turn them into politicians and diplomats. Spies, too, right? Effectively. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Well that because you know the the time that the Bolsheviks were doing all of this, uh I think sometimes people lose sight of just like what an autocracy is. It was illegal, they were underground, you know what I mean? They had to function in a very conspiratorial type manner in order to not get arrested, in order to not get um, you know, have have the revolution get squashed. Um so that's and those were going on.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

We were reading all about uh various protesters making mistakes and uh Lenin goes uh waxes about all of the there was uh specifically these tailists, these uh these economist activists, uh these economism activists. I don't know, um for like it's a weird to hear some like a uh a rear guard described as economists because that's like, well, isn't that the thrust of Marxist activism economical? But we are used to it in tandem with the political representation or the necessity for a political body and not just wobblies.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Well, that's yeah, an econom economism is basically just foregoing the political revolution, hyper focusing on the economic revolution and and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

It's interesting that they wanted to do the thing that American labor activists are forced to do under American law, which is don't politically engage, no communists, no socialists, no do anything like they're like, we'll do that to ourselves. It's got to be net positive, which kind of mirrors like left comms and social democrats in general. Like left comms want to self-impose the economic blockade on themselves that other the imperialists would do to you. Oh, don't worry about that. We'll circumvent it and we'll blockade ourselves. No commodity production, nothing's getting in or out. We'll do it, baby. We'll go on and do it. That's fine. Yeah. So z so that's all so I I agree. So we we think that uh Lenin was correct, right? Uh, against his position.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

History proves him correct.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

You know what I mean? He did in fact organize a central committee and a Bolshevik party. Yeah, they did it. Yeah, um, even at the time, he which it was his thumbing the nose at these at these newspaper editors. There's like, I'm meeting with uh committee members now. You're a bitch. I went to the committee and none of them knew you. Like, what do you mean? Like, what do you mean? I'm saying bro, I correspond with all the big wig activists. You don't do shit. And yet I'm looking and none of them wrote you. It's weird. He is basically what he did like a victory lap in the last chatter.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

I thought bragging.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Yeah, that was pretty cute. He's like, damn, bro, I went to the fucking political party, none of them knew you, dog. Uh so that it was uh kind of cute. So this all begs the question who is Hassan Piker? Is Hassan Piker a communist? And what the fuck is he reading this book for? Cappy, do you think that this is I shared with you earlier the picture of Grimes, Elon Musk's baby mama, who broke bad and decided to be seen uh uh caval cavorting, cavalting, uh carousing around in a in a dune-like outfit, reading Karl Marx a couple years ago. Remember that? Yeah, I I remember it when it happened, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was very which just seems like a photo-op. Is this another of a photo op type event for Hassan Piker, you think?

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Well, that's what I was kind of thinking, because for a few reasons. Um I mean, first and foremost, Hassan is an entertainer, he's an influencer, that's what I was thinking. And so I'm curious if his engagement with theory is sort of performative, or you know, I don't know, um I don't know how to put it. Like um if he's doing it to be ironic, or if he's flexing or trying to expand his audience to to Marxists, or you know, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

So it so I had listened to another podcast that we did where we broached the topic of a song, and I realized there may be people who are older and maybe foreign or whatever who just are actual book readers that do not know who Hasanabe is or just kind of vagu vaguely understand that he's the guy who's like vaguely like left-ish, right? And they don't really realize who he is. So I could not find a good, accurate, detailed summation of his political views. So I asked Google Gemini, and that I think this does from a broadly how he deviates from rank and file liberalism, I think that this is actually a pretty good list. All right, so from this is uh a series of articles here, including CNN, All Sides, Wikipedia, Stanford Daily, uh TikTok, Instagrams, Vox, Reddit, a bunch of Reddit posts, Instagram, uh, about people, threads talking about his foreign policy, inasmuch as we can distill them very briefly. Uh, quote, Hassan Piker, also known as Hasanabe, is a prominent far-left Twitch streamer, socialist, and anti-imperialist commentator focusing on Gen Z and millennial audiences. I would agree with that. I would say that's right. He probably qualifies as a quote-unquote socialist, right? It's another nebulous term. I mean, yeah, I mean socialist socialism is kind of broad, so. Yes, there's a very many liberals that identify themselves. It's a good enough descriptor for some people to say I'm a socialist. Like, oh, okay, so you're vaguely anti-capitalist, or in the very least, you uh think that uh the role of capital in politics needs to be exponentially reduced. That's generally what I hear. They generally do not want the abolition of private property. Only con only people like Marxist-Leninists, I I really believe that from because even like left comms, they don't ever seem to actually articulate what their views are. They seem to quibble and denounce Lenin because he didn't have enough workers' councils or something.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

No they never articulate their actual worldview. You notice that?

SPEAKER_00 13:47

Yeah, it's a lot of uh criticism with no actual uh contribution in a reactionary view.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

Yeah, it's a it's always very reactionary and uh tailing MLs who were exponentially more popular online. And in real life, just in real offline. Like yeah, you point me to the leftcom country. I've never seen a leftcom that looks like he gets pu. You know, I swear to all of them, they seem like the incels of the left. That's one way to describe them. I mean, kind of, right? They're the stinky redditors of the left. Well, actually, they're always hanging out in their little pervert TikTok panels that have 10 viewers, seven of them are leftcoms on the panel, and then three ops who are skulking them. Probably Valkyrie is always one of them. Uh Valkyrie and SoCom monitoring every Leftcom live for some reason. You won't believe what this person said now. I would believe it, and I also don't care.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

I would actually believe it. Um I I was gonna say uh yeah, it would be correct. Hassan himself had claimed in a in a video I had just seen earlier um that uh he likes communism, but he's not a communist. Kind of a weird position app, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Okay, so that probably has to do with realism, practical, and attainable goals here in the Imperial Corps, I would assume, right? Because he does seem to be at least kind of it seems to be okay, let's get through the rest of this. He advocates for aggressive, progressive policies, like what, including, oh, including universal healthcare, labor rights, and class consciousness. He advocates for class consciousness, okay, of a non-communist but liking communist variety, or what? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Which is going to get to our uh point up above here. One of the things that we're going to tackle here is what is the point of what Hassan is doing? And so this kind of brings it to a head immediately. How is someone who does not internalize the right politics or does not appreciate that the fact that communism is the God-given perfect ideology and political system uh given to us by our prophets, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, Deng, Xi Jinping, who else? Ni Yu.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Did you even say Stalin? Stalin. He's the greatest. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, everyone who wins, they bestowed this upon us.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

I think that's so true. And the left comms, they're they're forever going to be idealist because they cannot grapple with the fact that they are not writing a sci-fantasy novel. They are they are dealing with the political practice, something that needs to be actuated in the real world that has real externalities that they actually have to navigate. And one thing that Lennon showed in that pamphlet is that he's not just encouraging labor unionists to attack police or whatever fucking sort of propaganda of the deed adventurism that he's like fanning the flames of. He's like, first of all, we told you all to chill with that. If you're going to do anything, it needs to be coordinated, number one. And number two, it shows that he steadfastly understood the needs to build the infrastructure for an organization to exist. And are people surprised that he emerged as the head of that organization? He laid those bricks. You know what I mean? Like he did the things it took in the real world to actuate scientific socialism as state policy. He fucking did them. That's what winners do, and that's what left comms will never understand because they're too busy being greasy and not never having sex. That's why that's why. He advocates for universal healthcare, labor rights, and class consciousness and frequently uh criticizing US foreign policy, NATO, and Israeli government. I have to say, some of my favorite things is when now we've talked briefly about audience capture. Audience capture where is where you have sort of onboarded a lot of audience from other things that maybe like you did you had Bernie on or AOC, and that way Bernie and AOC people get in get in your chat. And me and you have both noticed independently that there seems to be audience capture with Hassan's chat. And when he does point out things like his policy on Russian sphere of influence and how being anti-NATO is good, he gets a lot of pushback from his chat.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

Of course. I think that um his chat is largely liberal, and so um he would benefit by not doing that, actually. You know what I mean? But he might he probably lose more than he gains when he does that.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

He might gain some, but I have noticed in doing I used to do Twitch streams of the political sphere in in the debate realm, and I will say that liberals are always going to be your oilers, we call them. They're the people who show up and will give 20, 30, 40, 50 subs because they want attention, and for them, contributing to someone who's a quote unquote leftist is their activism.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

And until you do terrible things and they realize you're evil because you don't denounce Stalin or Abraham Treore or something. Yeah. Then they're like, I'm pulling, I'm pulling that back. They genuinely get offended. Yeah, yeah. So so there is you are constantly self-censoring. You're like, how how much of my power level do I want to show here? Which is because I it it is a push and pull because you do lose subs when you're like mask off. First of all, I'm a I'm a left authoritarian. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Like I do think that sort of does uh keep his son kind of where he's at too, why he hasn't uh engaged in a deeper study of Marxism and began to promote it.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

Um but there, yeah, I mean because I would like to say it also it also changes the the content that you watch because these people all they care about is did you see that crazy thing Republicans said? That's all they care about. I swear to God, nobody would know anything Republicans do if it wasn't for left lib and center-left streamers using Ben Shapiro, Marjorie Taylor Green, Ted Cruz, and other and others of that ilk, Rick Scott, um, JD Vance memes. They literally treat Republicans as lol cows and they they center Republicans in everything. It basically becomes a Republican gossip stream. No, absolutely. Yeah. So you were stuck watching political debates, watching electoral polls, uh pollsters, uh panels. Oh, you won't believe what happened. The senator got on the show. It's like, did they say reactionary shit? Oh yeah, how did you know? Because they're fucking reactionary, and you put a mic in front of them. Like, what do you like? What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 20:44

Oh my god, I can't believe you just said that. Like, you can't?

SPEAKER_02 20:47

Yeah. Where it's so that is another way where because that is what the audience thirsts for. That is what they have been that is what uh proto streamers uh in the in the Twitch poll space like Destiny and Vosh have accustomed them to expect. Debates and political coverage of electoral happenings. So he's stuck. He can't even he couldn't even talk about theory. Half of his chat would be thrown up spamming Zs in chat. He he can't really he would exponentially lose followers if he did that. So the question is, should he or should he keep them on the line and be pipering them with breadcrumbs a little bit here, a little bit there, but keeping them there with the electoral coverage he does?

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Well, that that's the thing is too, is um he has engaged in theory streams, and that shit hits like like I I mean it it's reported about in various media websites across the internet being like they're talking shit. They're like, Oh, Hassan, violent, you know, revolutionary, turning towards revolution, like this, that, the other thing. His followers get upset and they run over to the subreddit, like, you know, I really like Hassan, but I'm kind of uncomfortable with the fact that he's reading Lenin on stream, you know, so it It is a push and pull thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

Yeah. Yeah. And there are people who want to be infotained, and the infotainment they want is readily accessible stuff that is well within the liberal Overton window of communication, expected rhetoric, and policy positions. I would I would think 90% of Hassan's audience is not for the abolition of private property. What they want is affordable homes and healthcare. Yeah, they're they're social democrats. Settler socialists at best. Right? They want, you know, uh every man a king, yeah, like a little Huey Long. They would they're progressives. They would love Huey Long if they knew who he was. Right. Uh there's a conspiracy about that too. We'll get into that. We've covered that briefly on the Globoid streams. But uh Huey Long, cut the cut low. It's interesting too because the the conventional narrative about Huey Long is that he's like racist, right? When in fact the Democrats that he was opposing at the time had segregation in their party, like as a policy position and in their meetings, and Huey Long didn't. Kind of interesting how you get slandered by libs after the fact, huh?

SPEAKER_00 23:02

I never considered him racist, just an anti-communist, which I believe he even said himself, yeah, I'm I'm actually saving this country from communism with the policies I want to put forward, which would be crazy.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

And so did FDR. So that was the same thing. Their whole thing, yeah, they preempt the natural zeal for those movements by creating shallow implementations of them that wet the whistle of people, but don't do do enough. But never take that, never take that, people, because these these people, you think that you got a foot in your door, and really what you'll get is we already gave you that. They'll whine about the concessions they gave you from here to eternity. Never take a half measure. And you'll probably lose the concessions. Like right. Uh, okay, so key political views and stances. So we're we're covering what Hassan is. Is Hassan even a communist ideology? I uh this is from the again a Google Gemini uh extrapolation and distillation of his policies, identifies as a socialist and a Marxist, advocating for wealth redistributionism and workplace democracy. Those do not would not make one a communist. Well wealth distribution, you could say a progressive taxes or wealth redistribution, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Yeah. Um workplace democracy is a little bit closer, but I'd be curious to know what he means by that. Because I've yeah, I've heard Hassan talk about democratization of the workplace before when discussing Marxism, and to be honest, I'm not sure he's really engaged with Marx that much.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

No, I do know that he he uses all union uh labor for his like clothing merch brands or whatever. I think that he gets like union procured blanks and uses uh union uh co-ops to as make as much of his stuff as possible. I think that that is kind of what he's saying. Sort of like his idea of uh democratization of the workplace is sort of like hiring Madeline Pendleton to to do stuff.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

I get you, yeah. I mean, you can still, technically speaking, have a workplace democracy within a capitalist system.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

100%. Yeah, I don't know what the difference is. I mean, that's what it what is a union if not that. Now, which is not to say that they won't do everything they can and exert uh uh uh use capital's leverage against you to stop you, silence you, fire you from some parallel pretext that something that they can in retrospect analyze the surveillance and see you doing and fire you for, you know what I mean? Because they can't technically fire you for union organizing, although you'd have very little recourse if they did, which is not to say that the capitalists won't do everything they can to stop you from organizing.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Oh, no, yeah. I mean they don't have to fire you for being union, they'll just drug test time.

unknown 25:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Oh, they stole from the register, you know, and that's or yeah, just make something up, right? Sure.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Um, okay, so he is uh strongly anti-imperialist. That's good. He has criticized US involvement in Ukraine, advocated for negotiations, and argued that NATO maintains American capitalist ominess. I think he's 100% right in that. And he took a lot of shit. He he, in fact, he took a lot of shit for that, and he gets called literally a tanky for that thing. It's specifically his view on NATO, he gets called a tanky because I think that he generally has the correct take on it. Now I don't know what his prescriptions are for that, but being generally against NATO is good. Because it's just uh uh Western collaboration with imp within uh imperialism.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Yeah, I mean it's it is the organization that maintains uh US global hegemony. It is, you know what I mean. It is the most imperialist institution out of any of the imperialist institutions that exist.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

Uh on Israel-Palestine, he's a vocal critic of Israel, refers to the conflict in Gaza as a genocide, and has supported the uncommitted voted campaign to pressure the Democratic Party. I think that's all good. Uh the those I would like to say though, the uncommitted voting campaign, they ended up, I believe that they did, in fact, endorse Kamala. And they got they got nothing for it. They weren't even allowed to speak at the convention. As far as I'm I'm aware. Yeah, it's really pathetic showing. Not not by them and what they endeavored to do, but at the very end, I I think that they were kind of in a rock between a rock and a hard place because at the end they did not want to create more bad optics for Palestine. So after failing to get any concessions from the Democrats, even in verbiage, like holy fuck, the Democrats weren't even willing to lie. Like they were so they were so worried about losing Zionist votes, they were afraid to affirm the existence of Palestine damn near.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Yeah. So like so after getting no after getting no concessions from the Democrats, they're like, I think that they had to endorse the Democrats anyways, because at least the Democrats listened, or like uh like gave them like a couple minutes in a closed door meeting with one of the candidates or a committee or something. So they're like, fuck it. It would it would look bad and then uh if then this group of uncommitted people did not vote for Democrat. Palestine, it would give the sort of liberals that have done campaigns against everybody that has better politics than them on TikTok and in the media, the people who the 92%ers, the proud Kamala voters, the proud Democrat voters, uh, how they're castigating anybody who deigned to vote third party. How dare they in a system of free speech where political parties you can vote for wherever you want? How dare you not vote for my liberal imperialist Zionist candidate? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

How fucking dare you? Everything Trump does is our fault now.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Everything. And uh I will cop to that. It is. I I'm sorry for that, people, that I allowed Trump to do everything. Uh uh, a recent, a modern context, which is something we should endeavor to do, is to infuse modern context. So there was recently a gutting of the Voting Rights Act, right? And I saw one of these uh people castigating third party voters blaming the Palestinian advocates for the Voters Right Act, which is like okay, and it just fundamentally shows the unseriousness of these people. It's like, hey, brother, has any Supreme Court justices changed? No? So the same ones who were going to be in there with Trump and uh or Kamala who are now in there with Trump, did you think that they would vote a different way on this? These are these cases are chosen like a year in advance. Yeah. Like what like what do you what do you mean? They were going to do this. They were going to gut it where they could, irrespective of who the president was. Do you think that how the pro who the president is dictates how the Supreme Court justices are going to vote? I don't even understand the argument.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

I I don't think they understand how the US political system works. That's you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

They're like they don't have object permanence. Thing happened now, therefore it's the thing of the fault of the president who it is. They have a childlike understanding of how bureaucracy works. Which is definitely the fault of our education system here, but you know, it's I don't even know if it's the fault of the education system so much as it's the uh fault of the countervailing media purposefully supplanting correct thought with wrong thought. Sure, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I don't even know. Okay, so domestic policy sports gun control, LGBTQ rights, and heavily critiques the Republican Party. Did you see that they've rolled back? They've uh several states have allowed the gun show loophole. No, I don't even know what that is, to be honest. You don't know the gun show loophole? You're really not in the political sphere of debate, huh, Cappy? You're just a fucking uh you're a bookish armchair Marxist. You're the very person that those Diakala Digata, those those the tailess newspapers were talking about in your ivory castle, reading sitting above a throne of of works that were new 150 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

I'll admit, I, you know, I I spend more time reading the news from other countries than I do reading about domestic politics here. I do read about domestic politics here.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

So the gun show loophole is effectively if you go and if you don't have a professional firearms license and you're a hobbyist like me, I go to a gun show and I pay for a table. I don't I I believe uh it's this. It does not require people who are not don't sell under the the quota to that require you to get a firearm sales license. People underneath that quota can buy and sell at at hobbyist gun shows without a background check. Oh. So it's a mechanism that people who were on the do not sell a gun to list can buy guns. Yeah, interesting. So they uh Trump has pushed that through as well. So we have a gutting of the um the Civil Rights Act. Uh and I'm not even sure to which degree the Civil Right uh Civil Rights Act was gutted. I'm not even sure. I as far as I understood that they did that eight years ago. Right? Where they undid protections in like Mississippi and other places that that um that would allow equal and uh wouldn't allow them to do like bias poll placing or uh voting terminal placing and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

Yeah, it wouldn't shock well, yeah, that definitely did start. I mean, that that's something that has been going on for at least a decade, I thought. And it's when you say Mississippi, not shocking at all. Mississippi's like in American history always been a hotbed of reaction and racism.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

And don't get me wrong, it could be Arkansas, it could be Missouri, it could be one of the which is the one that just ratified the Civil Rights Act like 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 32:47

I'm I'm not even sure.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Okay, anyway, so that's the gun show uh loophole. I just throw that in there because he talked about gun control. I don't know in which way he supports gun control. Uh where where do you follow on that, Cappy? Because I personally I I think a lot of the felonized and the criminalized lump and proletariat are are being charged with things as a pretext to make sure that they don't carry arms or that their their right to carry arms that is very useful for a revolution is therefore used as a pretext to incarcerate them more, and so they can be their surplus labor. Again, never forget that all prisons, including state prisons, are swiping the labor val the surplus value out of your labor. They are all work camps. It's not just private prisons, state prisons too. They are taking your fucking money. Uh sure, yeah. So uh so it's another pretext of and exponentially incre uh decreasing the amount of military-age men who are mad at the system. It's a double it's a it's a synergistic thing that they're doing. Getting free labor and diminishing the ranks of men who can fight.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

Yeah. I'm uh I'm not like um I'm not necessarily against certain gun control. Depends on the context, what country we're talking about, right? Stuff like that. Um liberal bitch.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

No, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

I'm sorry. I obviously as a Marxist-Leninist, I see the disarming of the working class as a dangerous thing. I think any Marxist would think that. Right. Um but yeah, no, I I'm not like I'm not against if there's like certain, you know, points you have to meet in order to be able to get a gun. I don't I would prefer for uh people who are diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder to not be able to uh you know. They can they can go back to the case. They can get it now.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

So now you're inventing. So you like gun control so much you were inventing things as pretext that would that would uh not allow them to get guns. I'm saying the liberal gun control of Hillary Clinton is not enough for you and now you're adding conditions to it.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

I don't think that you can that they you can legally sell a gun to someone that's been diagnosed with that. ASPD? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Uh I don't know. I thought it was just depressive and psychi-psychiatric disorders or like acute psychosis and stuff like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

The way it works where I'm from is if you wanted to get a gun too, you have to actually hit up your local police department and run it by them and they get to decide, which is kind of crazy because you could have been busted for like a bag of weed like you know, 15, 20 years ago when you were a kid, and then you go to buy a gun as an adult and they're like, nah.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

I encourage everyone to buy their guns illegally. Me, Glow Boy TV. That is what my prescription. Uh okay, electoral politics. Uh while a critic of the Democratic Party, he is aligned with the left-wing figures like Bernie Sanders and AOC to his detriment, I think, after they've been exposed as collaborators, class collaborators and uh activists in name only, and uh both are Zionists, effectively. Rabid imperialists, too.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Yeah. Bernie, we've known this about Bernie Sanders, though. That's the thing. And why does Parenti dislike him? Because of the bombing of Yugoslavia, because Bernie Sanders voted yes on the bombing of Yugoslavia, and Bernie Sanders also voted yes on the NATO intervention in Libya that overthrew the uh the Libyan jammeria, which was a socialist state. So uh yeah, no, Bernie's a bad socialist.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

All time you think he's the greatest sheepdog of all time? I d of all time? I don't know. Who would be better? I well he might FDR was already elected when he did his reforms, right? I don't know. I don't quite remember if the not the new society, what is it, the uh the New Deal? The New Deal, yeah. Was that that wasn't even campaign type stuff, that was just stuff he did while in office, right? I mean don't quote me on that, I don't quite recall, I don't know. But if FDR campaigned on the New Deal. But that's shit, but the fucking he did that though. That's the difference. Bernie Sanders didn't get elected because he's a fucking gigantic pussy. Just absolutely unwilling to sling mud. Oh, I don't want to talk bad about my friend Joe here. He was just talking shit about you, Bernie. Yeah, the the fucking half dead guy over there who was just talking shit about you. Yeah, you can go ahead and sling some mud at this guy. This guy would fucking wouldn't put piss on you if you were on fire. Oh, he's my good friend Joe Biden. Joe Biden hates you, Bernie Sanders.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

Yeah, that should be if if people are calling themselves progressives and socialists, your first indicator that Bernie Sanders is not a serious socialist is that he considers Joe Biden to be his friend.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

Joe Biden is no one's friend. The only way Joe Biden would be your friend is if you had a uh a post-pubescent daughter that needed sniffing. That is the only way Joe Biden would be your fucking pal.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

That's the only reason you come over for a house visit. If you had ice cream, that might you might be able to get him with an ice cream cone.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Or ray-bans, some bait. It's like an ice cream cone and ray-bans underneath uh one of those boxes with the stick being propped up by a stick. Some good bait for Mr. Mr. Biden. God damn, is that guy dead yet? That'll be a fucking good day. Uh okay. Uh though he often acts as a lesser of two evils voter. Ugh. Uh not enough, apparently. Apparently, he received condemnation this last cycle for saying that preemptively, two years out, three years out, that he's not going to vote for Gavin Newsom. This was a couple months ago, and it's been it's been resonating and reverberating through the cringe left lib histrionic TikTok community and comment sections about how Hassan is the devil because he's refusing to vote for a repo uh a Democrat in name only. Yeah. Who would be the greatest vassal to tech feudalists we've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

I'm sitting here thinking about it and I'm like, damn, bro. Like Hassan actually can't win because he gets criticized by by Marxists for his, you know, uh kind of chilling for the Democrats. But then at the same time, the Democrats don't like him because he's saying to vote third party. It's like, man, you really you you should just pick away and go with it.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

Okay, controversy. Well, there's other reasons that people dislike him too. Controversies and criticisms, 9-11 and radical statements. He has faced that backlash for past comments, including stating that America deserved 9-11, expressing views that have been characterized as anti-American. America did deserve 9-11. Inasmuch as any imperial power, like, are you gonna like Roman Empire takes over this country, this country, this country, this country, the million people dead, and like, oh no, someone hit a ro a Roman tower. Yeah, they were mad, dog.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Yeah, when you um when you bomb someone, they might bomb you back. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

Plus, Israel did that shit anyways. So I've heard. I mean, like uh I you see me. I so I do a lot of conspiracy talk over on Globoy TV, uh hit the link tree for all that. So I push back a lot on the Israel did this, Israel did that. However, with 9-11, the most smart, concise argument that you can come to is like, like, look, dog, those fucking those Saudi Arabian quote-unquote hijackers, they didn't even have Saudi accents. A couple of them just had Israeli accents, dog. It's wild. Their uncles were in Mossad. Paul Wolfowitz wrote the clean break, uh, and he was also uh literal campaign advisors and policymakers for Netanyahu were then after writing the Greater Israel program and the tactics they needed to do to weaken their adversaries to do their ultra-nationalist expansion, they then shifted over to the Bush administration. And then 9-11 happened, and then we're in a forever war. We're in the global war on terror, like doing the project for a new American Century and the Greater Israel project, two two two birds, one stone. Yeah, effectively, yeah, with uh imperialistic allies reaping the benefits. Uh it's so like very synergistic thing there, very uh quinky dinky dink. Uh so 9-11 did that shit anyways. Uh, but that's actually not what he got banned for on Twitch. He actually got banned for saying that he wanted to skull fuck uh Dan Crenshaw's good eye.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

I did not know that.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

That's actually what his that's actually what his ban was for. Yeah, Dan Crenshaw is the wounded Republican uh veteran uh congressman who has an eye patch and looks like a solid snake victim or a villain. Uh he basically wanting to skull fuck his good eye or something like that, and that's why he got the ban. Everybody who's things is for saying America deserved 9-11, that's that's protective speech. However, bullying is not.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

That's fucking funny.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Yeah. Do you think that's ableist talking about wanting to skull fuck the veteran's good eye? I don't know, man, but I I is it I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

I we I that seems very sympathy, though.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

And when people say that, isn't there an ocular cavity in the back like a bone? So I, for one, I couldn't even be able to if I was only going two inches deep, I don't know if I could not, Caddy. What do you think about what do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00 41:55

I don't I don't I've I've never thought about the um uh the uh ins and outs of goal fucking someone in their eye. The logistics of it. The leg exactly, yeah. The logistics of yeah, no, never it's never crossed my mind. I don't, you know. Yeah. I gotta think about these things more.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

Yep. Well, you know, you gotta you have to plastically visualize stuff. You know what I mean? Like uh like you have to so when I when I uh start to do a podcast, what I do is I like to have affirmative meditations where I it's sort of like sports, uh a sports meditation where you visualize yourself crossing the goal. You sit down in a quiet room and they like they do the little Buddhist bowl and they do the whole thing and they set the stage and the uh the ambiance and they they set the mood, and then you start to do positive reinforcements and visualizations of things that you uh want your body to accomplish that you sort of uh in your mind's eye uh visualize throughout the process. So before I sit down for a podcast, I have a very similar thing. I imagine leftcoms watching this crying and then deleting their accounts before writing notes to their friends and loved ones and kicking that stool out, baby! That's what I imagine. Fucking communizers weeping for being exposed as rad libs. I I imagine uh blinking out, like if you imagine a big tactical uh what's it called, situation room with the big board where each light is a left com profile that's online. Just imagine them blinking out one by one, just disappearing, left comms purged, gone back into the ethereal realm of do nothing, accomplish nothing, and clout chase your whole life. Go back from the demon realm that you came from, you accomplishers of fucking nothing. They're like literal specters and poltergeists. They are haunting. We're we are literally the Marxist movement is haunted by these stinky, no sex having fucking incel panelists who do nothing and attention will. They will only ever get attention from chastising big, dicked, fucking strong MLs like Red Army Capabera and myself.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

So I like to I do like to do positive visualizations like that before doing a podcast.

SPEAKER_00 44:15

That's good. Yeah. I I'll I gotta start doing that. I might get more in the zone if I did that.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Yeah. And it also helps you uh imagine the the messy mechanics of skull fucking Dan Crenshaw's eye. Like I was just wondering, like, I don't know, that's kind of like a lot of blood. Hopefully a song like put a towel down. You know what I mean? Like, or would it be clean? Is it post-surgery that we're talking? Yeah. Would he be like, would it be, would he still be alive? Or are we talking about necrophilic action? I don't know what's going on. Anyways, uh okay. These are the pressing questions of the time. Yeah, we have these in bullet points here. Make sure to hit these. Uh logistics of Dan Crutchhaw, question mark. Uh controversy. Okay, so Hamas and Israel. Uh Piker has been criticized for comments regarding Hamas and Israel. He has been. Uh so he got uh he's received a lot of criticism for having that uh Houthie. He had a Houthie uh gentleman on his stream. Oh yeah, that that's cool. That is cool, I thought. Yeah. Based. Uh what do you think about Jackson Hinkle going over there and speaking in front of them and getting like a little honorary dagger and all that? Yeah, I mean it's if the Houthis think he's cool, why don't you?

SPEAKER_00 45:20

Well, I I don't know if the Houthis even really know who he who he is.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

If you ask the Houthis to name American communists, do you think you're just a shame.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

He'd be on the list though, right? He might be, I don't know. I don't know how hard it actually is to uh to get interviews with them. I'm not sure if you're a part of any organization. If you had I'm sure that they're happy to talk to anybody uh and where they can get some recognition and get the things that they want to say put out there. I I would uh not care who it was if I were them, right? I think that more than opposed. What us Americans?

SPEAKER_02 46:00

Yeah, we're not me and you as podcast hosts are not are not doing enough to quote revolutionary.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

If you want to try and hit up some, you know, don't throw it on me. I'm down. Don't throw it on me. You would want to do that. Isn't this not a thing that you would also like to do? Sure, of course I would. Of course. That would be down. See what he did there?

SPEAKER_02 46:18

See what he did there, chat? See how he framed that? Well, I need you to be on board with it too. I can't do it myself. Look at this. Fucking this this this sort of uh hedgehogging behavior here. It's it'll be noted.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

That's getting from the Red Army Capavera dossier. You're holding back the podcast by not wanting to invite these people.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

I okay. You know what? Fair enough. I'll I was I my bad. We could have had revolutionary figures from the past and present on here, and I've been holding it back. I've been blockading it with my needless mediating bureaucracy. Damn, maybe the communizers was right. Lenin could have been on here, Max, Stalin. Uh I fucking uh Ouija boards are cheap. We could be doing a lot more than what we're doing. That'd be fun. Uh MediaStyle described as somebody uh some as a reactionary lefty whose views are in sharp reaction to American right-wing politics. Do you think that's a reactionary lefty? I don't know. So he does a lot of react content.

unknown 47:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

What does reactionary even mean? Is that sort of like negative talism?

SPEAKER_00 47:24

So in in the Marxist context, reactionary is the opposite of progress, right? A reactionary wants to pull uh wow, that was a weird pop. Um the the a I'm gonna say that again in case it's regressionary. No, it's fine. Yeah, the it's uh you know, a reactionary wants to uh to pull back the development of uh human progress, whereas uh a communist is the opposite. We want to move forward into the future. You know what I mean? So um like in terms of socialist revolution, a reactionary is somebody who wants to preserve the um the preceding order, right? The the capitalist order, or maybe even go back to feudalism. Um I mean you could use the term it it basically describes people who are you know uh socially not progressive, economically not progressive, politically not progressive.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

It's just I always took it, I always took it as it's not only about affirmation and being positively trying to promote regressive policies, but it's also being part of a milieu that is a reaction to perceived progressives, uh progressive movements. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So it's like people who uh like for instance, uh with the rise of feminism in the West and all that, you had men's rights activists and very vocal detractors of that, like Andrew Tate and the like, who aren't explicitly saying, Yeah, make make having sex with 13-year-old girls legal. They're not saying that. However, there's a lot of whining and commiserating about their lost station that I would consider reactionary. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it was like literally reacting to I I don't know how how the you know Google Gemini defines the term, but they threw quotes on it, so that infers that they they scraped it directly from one of those articles. And I would assume that it's one of those Reddit posts from uh social uh R socialism, which are all malice, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:22

No, R slash socialism is kind of weird because it was a lot of like really soft lefties, anarchist types, and then sometime recently uh a Marxist-Leninist moderator became like the head moderator and started to make this sub better, and now he's gone, and now they're pretty much like they're trying to just get rid of all the MLs.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

Okay. Yeah. Not very socialist, huh? No, it's it's awful. Okay, so and there's also uh above and beyond that, there's some other stuff that these are these are things that we have cobbled together now. Uh there was the dog hauler incident, this was failed to make the mention, where he was accused of stream of shocking his dog, gave rise to many memes. The idea this privileged champagne socialist, uh, this entitled Nepo baby who makes $700,000 a month at home. Uh, his idea of careful stewardship of his dog is to uh force her to be in a fixed place for X amount of days, and if she deigns move from it, zaps her with the MK Ultra caller. Yeah, that's that's what you want to do to me for the podcasts, right? No, you're misunderstanding. That was a personal thing that I was sending you about an electric cock ring. That's uh that it it was uh it was one of those ones that I could control with Bluetooth on my phone. But you're getting confused. It was positive. It was a positive development. Okay. Would have been for you, you know, if you if you're interested. Um speaking of which, the uh he was also criticized for a brothel destiny uh after Hassan made some comments about destiny multiple multiple times platforming Nick Fuentes. Um uh and I do not mind when you have a Nazi on and you're doing blood sport commentary, the things that make that are ignominious to the the Nazi, making them look dumb, making them stammer, making them do other things because they lose station, they lose frame effectively. When you get a Nazi on there and you're tougher, bigger, stronger, your voice is a little bit deeper and you sound smarter than them, they lose frame with their pussy, not non-pussy getting fucking audience.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:35

Of their weirdo reactionary fucking audience. They lose clout, they lose station, it's ignominious for them, embarrassing, their view count goes down, that person's not gonna sub to them again. And they're like, damn, he is kind of a cuck. Damn, you let a fucking you let this fucking lib, this leftist fucking take you down, bro. Like, what the fuck? Uh it loses state. However, destiny doesn't really do that. Destiny is a little too chummy with friends.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

Destiny is he destiny is a fucking rabid Zionist supporter of imperialism. Destiny is a fascist. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 52:10

I agree, yes. He's a gusano, he is his grandfather owned a plantation in Cuba, his mother affirmed that on on stream. Have you seen that clip? I've seen that. That's hilarious. And nobody ever asks him hardball questions like, hey, bro, is colonialism bad? Yeah, well, you know he'd have some fucking he would fucking he would No, if he thought he could make content out of it, because he doesn't really, there's no one to hold him accountable. So if he's like, well, I don't know, he if he could think of an edgelord take about it, like, yeah, I think India actually improved under colonialism action. No, he would totally say that. 100%, yes. He they and so I in in listening to him talk about Palestine and apartheid generally, I I I was one of my little hunches, I'm like, oh, this guy's not even anti-colonialism. No, he's anti-Land back, he is not anti-Ent- He's a neoliberal. He's he's a Western chauvinist neoliberal, not unlike Spontex. And they both hate all indigenous national projects like Palestine. Remember uh chat, if you're listening to this, Spontex hates all national projects, although he tried to do his face-saving post recently affirming that he likes the Republic of Ireland somehow. He wants to in the communizer apparently program, which is not a program, by the way, uh apparently there's every you have to immediately abolish all state and all bureaucracies and everything except for the Republic of Ireland?

SPEAKER_00 53:35

I I was thinking about that today. He he claimed to be both a communizer and an Irish Republican socialist, and it's like, wait a second. If you're an Irish Republican socialist, you are fighting for the Irish nation state for self-determined, it's a national project. What do you mean? Have you ever seen Cappy?

SPEAKER_02 53:52

Just as an aside, uh apropos of nothing, have you ever heard an Irish Republican with a British accent?

SPEAKER_00 54:01

Uh I mean, no, not that I remember.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

No, it's so bizarre, right? That's so weird. Anyways, um, that had nothing to do with Spontex, by the way. Uh, let's see here. So Destiny accused Hassan of having sex with a 15-year-old in a brothel somewhere. I forget. He went to someplace, I believe it's Germany or something. And I think the actual story, as explained, was like months after Hassan had gone there, they did find a 15-year-old girl was there. Uh, and that though those things through the game of rhetorical telephone that streamers play when they're cooking up at homes against their opponents online, lumped it together and became a sort of composite event that Hassan fucked a 15-year-old in Germany or something. Okay. Which is, to be fair, I think of Europeans, especially Irish Republicans with British accents as just supreme perverts, anyways. I don't even know if it's illegal for a German to fuck a 15-year-old.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

I have no idea what the looks like.

SPEAKER_02 54:57

They probably like that. Yeah. I that's I assume that every European does stuff like that, especially ones with British accents. Um, which is weird because so if be careful, if you see a European with the British accent with a bunch of teenagers around them, be careful because they are all fucking perverts. Uh, there was also another scandal. This is a cosmopolitan article. Apparently, on stream, way back in the day, 2018 era, he pulled up, uh he was talking about getting nudes from fans and people on the stream, and they were like his inbox was like 70%, like chicks with their tits out and stuff like that. And he like kind of showed some of the girls that he could show on stream, which is kind of like uh that's not problematic. Yeah, that that's not good. Yeah, that's not that's not bad. Opsek. Uh okay, so uh there's also this issue with this uh brotips. So we can listen to a little bit of it's the bro tips thing, it was a series of videos that he made on Facebook that were for the young Turks, where he was almost affecting a Steven Crowder type position of the left. It seemed like that's what he was going for. Before Charlie Kirk, we had Steven Crowder, and and uh it seemed that Hasanabe was affecting a uh Steven Crowder-like kind of brash for the bros progressive type thing. I don't know, but he was saying a lot of like brocialism. I guess he was just talking about like Miley Cyrus being a little slut and so-and-so showing their their their their camel toe on stage. He was saying a lot a lot of crass bullshit, which was trying to carve out like frat bros who were interested in politics. I don't know what he was trying to do. I don't know. Doesn't seem to be very effective. Yeah, that's weird. It's it's it's gross. It doesn't so I don't want to listen to it. Uh so and then recent controversies and or criticisms, he was he was before this. I'm gonna skip to the last bullet point here. It says Hassan as a Madeline Pendleton-like lightning rod for liberal electoral anger. This I have seen personally ever since he said he wasn't gonna vote for Gavin uh Gavin Newsome. Like, look, just to like let you guys know, no, if you put Gavin Newsome up, I didn't vote for Kamala, I'm not gonna vote for Gavin Newsome. Gavin Newsom would be a mess. He would he would appeal to the liberals, the uh the independents and the conservatives uh at every at every turn. He's just an appeaser. He would do whatever is asked of him, and the the Imperial, the Imperial court asks so much. They will ask and ask and ask and ask. And if you're an appeasing to these tech feudalists, they'll you it's bad news. So I I agree with that. Madeline Pellenton herself has a great video about the history of Gavin Newsome. Also, someone else did a long-form 10-minute video about him about how he's basically a plant from the Getty family. His dad is a lawyer for the Getty Foundation, I believe. It's it gets more complicated than that, but effectively his father was like a lawyer or and or a judge, a lawyer, and then later on a judge. And then through he's a Nepo baby who got placed on a city council meeting because he was effective in doing a couple little making the money here and there. So they rewarded Gavin Newsom with like a city planning position on a city council, and that's where Howe's political campaign started from his his getty connected father who's a judge, and him being a Nepo baby. Uh, however, and this is a larger criticism that I have of Democrats in general, never ever make the mistake of thinking that Democrats are progressive. Some progressives happen to be trying to get elected in places that have progressive constituencies. Do not ever mistake them espousing progressive things to people who are progressive as them being progressive. Yeah, no, they're fucking liars.

SPEAKER_00 58:48

They lie to you. Like that's their job is to fucking lie to you and to confuse you.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

And I will say the Republicans, I believe, are more honest. I think they are too. The Republicans will say, I want to cut the Voting Rights Act. I hate Medicaid. Yeah, I hate Social Security, I want to cut it. And then they get in and you see them trying to.

SPEAKER_00 59:11

You know what I mean? Like no, people knew exactly what they were voting for when they voted for Trump. They love that shit. They were like fucking based.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

Oh, I will say that Trump ran a lot of progressive policies. He's like, we can get you insurance for even cheaper. He he had a lot of progressive things that he was selling to people. He was a fake populist. He got elected now. On the second time, he got elected as a referendum to Biden and the pandemic. The the the uh I think the pandemic cost um Trump the first election, right? Because it happened under his watch and people have no object permanence. Uh, liberal liberals under representative democracies have no object permanence. They don't remember bad thing happening now, this guy's in charge. So Trump basically got voted out for the pandemic and the project light speed stuff. I think he lost enough of his uh conservative base for fastlining, fast tracking a vaccine. I think that was completely at odds with the positioning of the of the Republicans now. Yeah. Very very anti-vaxxed back then. Yeah, big time. Still are. So there was um there was all that. Anyway, so Hassan has Madeline Pendleton uh like figures, so we're talking about Gavin Newsom. And so basically, Gavin Newsome is a non-starter for me too. I I would never vote for Gavin Newsome. Now, uh without going into too long of a polemic about that, about now let's not even get into lesser evilism. That could be its own podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

Okay, so uh also um uh and then also recently there was a you the US House to consider resolution condemning Hassan Piker and Candace Owens for anti-Semitism, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, that's crazy. I'm way more personally anti-Semitic than Hassan Piker. Cappy, like half the memes that I you send to I send to you, you're like, bro, like people can see my phone right now. Can you delete that? I'm like, oh, okay. Damn, I didn't know that this wasn't a safe space. Yeah, definitely. The uh I'm way more, I'm way more anti-Semitic than I don't think you are. I don't think you joke around like that. Okay, okay, look. So if the US House was gonna condemn anybody, you'd think it would be me. But no, they're I don't know. So it's basically You're a much more ruthless anti-Zionist. Yes, I would agree. But they but again that they would consider that anti-Semitism. Sure, it's been conflated.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:31

They've conflated them in Judaism.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:34

It's been legally conflated definitionally to like a uh with uh double the same laws that uh enforce uh double genocide theory, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:42

No, and and if you were in Britain, you'd already be in jail. I mean they're insane with it. Like we think it's bad here in the US. They're just fucking you could be sitting in a fucking circle with a pro-Palestine sign or a flag and the cops are fucking arresting you.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

Literally for having a placard that says like free Palestine on it, yeah, because they're considered subversive terrorists, which is interesting because the as the the queen, whenever someone mentioned Israel, she th she mentioned them being terrorists to her dying day. Because they were there at the King David Hotel. That was like a literal terrorist action done against Brit uh British people who had just got done arming and training the Israelis. Yeah, they're like they didn't leave fast enough, then they fucking like blew them up. It's like holy shit. I mean, they're legitimate terrorists. Uh the IDF was a a conflagration of three different terrorist groups, effectively, right? Yeah, definitely, absolutely. Yeah, so that so every Israeli is a terrorist, anyways. Uh so he got uh I don't know what he would be for not being not being sufficiently liberal in his pearl clutching about the uh the axis of resistance and the H groups, I would assume. And he had that Houthi figure on, which is again based.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:53

Yeah. No, absolutely. It's it's actually I like I'm glad to hear that that that he's you know extending a platform out to uh you know revolutionaries and uh resistance fighters. I mean, freedom fighters, yeah. Yeah, that's really cool. So he gave I have a little bit of respect for that, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:12

So scrolling down, so we started on the Young Turks based on his commentary around the 2024 uh election, early 2026, Hassan Peker has heavily criticized democratic establishment, frequently advocating for progressive third party or uncommitted options to pressure the party from the left. He expressed a deep dissatisfaction with Joe Biden, supported uncommitted voting campaign, and ultimately confirmed he voted third party, stating he could not bring himself to vote for a Democratic nominee a third time. Base, base, base, base. True. There's only so many times they can fool you before you realize, oh, they are literally the status quo is okie doking you with this ratchet effect fake false opposition party. Like and the the whole mechan they have so many mechanisms of like the spoiler voters, right? Those two or three Democrats that are revolving cadre or two or three uh far right Democrats who get elected in purple states and then act as spoiler votes and then as rollover votes for Republicans whenever they need to pass some regressive policy and reactionary, reactionary/slash regressive policy. That's what these people do. Uh it's a spoiler party. That's effectively all they're there for. So we say so, and then uh 2026, Piker said he would rather vote for a third-party candidate over California Governor Gavin Newsome in the 2028 presidential election, arguing he would only support candidates who align with progressive goals, such as universal healthcare. It's that's a kind of a tough one because Gavin Newsome did have that initiative about like the low-cost epipins and like insulin and other stuff. Now, I don't, I look, I can't even comment on that. I am sort of withdrawn from it, but I do know that there are people who actually who are like campus, Maoists, communists or whatever who are from California and say, well, actually, I don't hate that he did this policy or that policy. And sometimes he's voting down things that are conflicting because he doesn't want to evaporate political. He's sort of like a uh Mitt Romney character doing healthcare in Michigan or wherever the fuck he was. He doesn't want, he wants to be the one getting credit for it locally before they roll it out someplace else, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:15

So so I don't really know. I don't know. I can't say too much about that, and I could be extremely wrong about that. Um I don't know. Uh I don't even know what Gavin Newsom's uh policy positions are on universal healthcare because to me he seems like a neoliberal car salesman, and I just tune out when he fucking talks. However, I think he has good hair, a nice smile, he's tan and tall, and therefore electable. That's basically how I'm looking at it. Oh, I get you. Yeah, I see he look he's looks more electable than Joe Biden. Joe Biden did the fucking Crime Bell, and he was like promoting oral oral hatch and whatever the segregationist like abominable record Joe Biden has. I would argue but Joe Biden did do some moderate. Some progressive things like l student loan abatements and other stuff, that's uh uh probably a net positive, some things, but you know, that's like equivocating uh like Strasserus versus you know, far right Nazis. It's kind of like versus the Hitler yeah, the Hitler group of it. Strasorites, you could p cherry pick stuff and make them seem progressive after the fact, but make no mistake, Joe Biden carried water for Israel during a fucking genocide. Oh, yeah. So and Gavin Newsom uh allowed Israel to take over fucking California, basically. You're not uh they're like flying Israeli flags and stuff. They pass all kinds of insane, insane. It's illegal to criticize Israel, they're flying Israeli flags like brother. What? Look, I understand Hollywood is a great lobbying force. I understand it. I understand it, but holy shit, brother. These like Americans have really lost like it used to be that you used to st uh fl fan the flames of xenophobia and pellengetic ultranationalism by being patriotic about your own fucking country. Yeah. Americans today are so lost in the sauce that they're fucking up their own uh up each other's ass about being patriotic for other countries.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:12

Yeah. I saw a TikTok the other day. I don't know where it was, but apparently it was in New Jersey here, and um, it was a whole bunch of Israeli flags flying and like one single American flag, and these people recording were like, what the fuck? Like, we're in New Jersey. What the hell is this?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:27

Were they complaining of the one American flag?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:29

No, no, the Israeli, they couldn't, they couldn't believe what that they were seeing all the Israeli flags. I don't know where it was at.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:35

How dare he put that American flag up? It's rude. It's rude. All right, Piker has described himself as a socialist and a Marxist, focusing on pushing the Democratic Party to be more progressive rather than aligning with it loyally. Now, I don't I I whatever. I don't know. Is that something he's saying for Chad? Is that his actual position? Is he an incrementalist? Is he a Fabian socialist? Like what it what even is this? I can't even discern what his actual position is. Is this things that are necessitated to say if you want to be allowed on? Because I will say that if you are any sort of actual communist, I do think that succinctly same thing with conservatism, succinctly stating your policies towards trans and queer people as a Republican constitute hate speech on platforms. And I think in a similar way, articulating your foreign policy as a communist or articulating what the domestic policy should be for a communist who is gearing up for an insurrectionary uh seditious act, that would constitute terms of service violation. So you cannot be a glib communist on these places. They will be you will get terminated for cause effectively for the TOS. So how much of this is him playing it close to the chest, and how much of this is him actually being a lesser of two evil sort? Because he seems I would say that him denouncing Newsom, saying no, I'll vote third party if you do that, and then voting third party in the last election, sort of have broken with that. Is would you say that's a positive?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:18

Yeah, I mean, I do. I and you know, I'm I'm not sure how um how new it was, but the one thing that has me caught up and this sort of like goes into the questions we were asking in the beginning, like um you know, uh why is Hassan reading So we were saying there, so with that with this with that question in mind, let's go ahead and finish these uh these points here, which is like what we actually want to see from someone like Hassan.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:45

What is he uh why was Hassan reading this book? Was it a photo op? What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:52

Yeah, so I I'm not 100% sure. Um however, it's not the first time he's engaged with like Lenin's writings.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:01

You were speaking earlier of a time where he got uh mass uh repr he was reproached in mass for reading extreme theory on on stream.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:11

A few uh I'm not sure exactly when it was, but uh Hassan was reading left-wing communism and infantile disorder on stream, and I don't know if he was maliciously uh if it was like a malicious distortion or if it was just a misunderstanding, but he was using that text to justify joining the bourgeois establishment, to justify voting for Platner and Mom Dani and stuff like that, and he was encouraging his viewers to vote for these these, you know, uh democratic politicians using that text.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:41

Yeah, so he really doesn't understand. However, if he I I would understand if he was gonna read like the manifesto and it talks about in the manifesto, it does clearly say that if you do not yet have a bourgeois uh democracy, you should get that.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:56

Well, it's it talks about the workers winning the battle of democracy.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

Right, but I think that that means something it's no, it says if you have an aristocrat, if you had the aristocracy and like landed nobility still, you have bigger fish to fry and oust them first, align, do class collaboration with the bourgeoisie and get the fucking aristocrats out of here. Something Spontex has failed to do still. Communizers. Oh, communization is always possible. Oh yeah? Then why do you still have a king? You haven't even you haven't even done your class collaboration with the fucking petty merchants to oust the aristocrats, you fucking fraud. You communizing fucking fraud, you rad lib using Marxian ver verbiage to fucking rationalize your anarchist worldview, you liar. But yes. Yeah, no, but that is not what Hassan was doing. Hassan was trying to criticize people to the left of him who were chastising him for promoting Graham Platner. Yeah, he does not understand and saying they were they were infantile because what the fuck was he even doing? However, I will say he voted third party after doing that.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:03

He he very well might have, but I I do think that that had to have been malicious because I don't see a way that you can misconstrue Lenin in that book. I mean, he makes it very clear that that uh this is about building up an actual proletarian organization and running those candidates.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:20

I'll have to I will have to, yes. They're talking specifically about running communists and engaging with the electorate in that country so as to so as to discern the amount of support you have and get a stage and be able to wage your polemics and form the nascent uh political organization for the communists.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:36

And and to to get the the people because the right, uh like Lennon makes the point that um uh uh electoralism is like to communists who know, like we understand that like that shit's a thing of the past. It's it's complete nonsense. But to the people who are engaged in electoralism, it's completely relevant to them.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

It's the only thing they care about.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:57

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:57

Elections in America are politics. They mentally check out when there's not an election. To them, the election is political engagement. Yeah, we Americans have been psyoped to see voting as the end all be all of political engagement. They can argue otherwise, but it's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:13

It's kind of like it's historically obsolete, but it's practically speaking, it's not because the people are still involved in it. And so, like, that's how we can reach out to them and show them our platform and get them.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:25

There was practical mechanisms that we could benefit from dissemination of speech, rhetoric, funding, uh, state protections if you get above a certain amount, literally Secret Service agents protecting you, although they might fucking murder you, like RFK. Um okay, so why was Hassan reading it? Is he a LARP? Is this photo? Is he just LARP? Is he stupid? Is does he not realize? Is he just a sheepdog? Did he learn from this? Can can Hassan is this just rage bait for libs? Was he suggested this? Did someone say, Hey, you have such a great platform? And I because I have to say, I can't imagine a central committee going forward in America that Hassan would not be tangentially associated with as such a pre preeminent and large figure on the left in the alternative media space from the non-co-opted media, even though it's basically he's walking on eggshells with Twitch TOS, which is an Israeli associated fucking thing. There, it's you know, all of these apps are have fintech woven through them, and that makes it very precarious for uh for anybody. But could this be a book that was suggested to him as sort of like, hey brother, I think it's time. It sounds like what I'm hearing is you were now sufficiently disaffected with the Democrats and you realize that it's time for America to have to lose the duopoly and to get more of a parliamentary third-party system going on.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:53

Yeah, I mean, I think that only time will tell. Like, um, because like, I mean, I heard I again I haven't confirmed it myself, but I saw a TikTok of someone saying that directly after that picture surfaced of him reading what is to be done, he was back out there uh blow, you know, blowing smoke up the ass of of Democrat candidates. I'm not sure who exactly or what he said. Again, I haven't confirmed it, but I tend to believe it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:17

There was also in the we covered him earlier in the Progressive Victory thing where he was stumping for these quote unquote progressive um uh Democrats for the Progressive Victory, who who they were taking their lumps for even associating with him. And then later on, there was that thing, that gotcha movement uh that Hassan Piker had with next to the candidate, where they're like, Do you don't think it's anti-Semitic? You talk about Rabbi Schmooly, and the reporter didn't realize that Rabbi Schmooly was an actual person and not just a nebulous term for Jewish people. Yeah, that's so crazy. Crazy self-owned. What the fuck? Yeah, like the like Johnny Blackface, what did he think the name was? You know what I mean? Like Rabbi Schmooley over it does sound like a comedic, it's like a punchline name a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:03

It does sound like comedic. Yeah, like when I'm stuck behind like a truck, uh, you know, going down the road and and I'm like, come on, farmer Joe. Yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:11

100% one of those, like a vocational sort of like last name epithet type thing, you know what I mean? Like of a sort of uh so there was that. So I think that that is started the the and it doesn't matter if he was actually being anti-Semitic or not, it started the dialogue going, and that's all that people need is the discourse. Yeah, yeah. They have the opportunity to purposefully misconstrue it for content, so they took it. Of course they're gonna yeah, of course they're gonna take it. Um you know who else does that? Shitty fucking communizers with British accents who are who are traitors to the good Irish Republicans and the proud revolutionaries like James Connolly. Uh moving on, uh let's see here. So what is uh so and uh so is this a result of an apparent democratic psy-up against Hassan? Is this the leftoid equivalent of uh turning Christian to deflect from criticism in the face of anti-Semitic anti-Semitic accusations? So Russell Brand recently went on Piers Morgan and was quoting the Bible, couldn't find a certain passage, looked like an asshole, didn't want to admit that he was agnostic or atheist before he's like, oh no, you're abusing the you're using these terms is another brit a Britbonger lying, another Britbonger lying about their anarchist past. Yeah, they do that. None of them want to admit none of them want to admit their actual politics. So uh so he, of course, did the the most formulaic predictable thing you could do, turn Christian to deflect from accusations of him grooming and having sex with underage people or underage people who would be underage here at least. And he has at least like half a dozen accusations of sexual impropriety, Russell Brand does. Really? Yes, yes, going and they and the BBC knew about it for years and they shelved it, and they have a history of doing that with Jimmy Sal Salville and other people as well, and uh probably probably against the communizers as well, I would imagine. Um so so is this effectively him turning to communist? Like uh being seen with a Lenin book to sort of weather the storm and try, or is he too late after uh he feels the flames of cancellation licking his Turkic skin? Is he is he now sort of after the fact like expositionally scrambling and trying to do photoshops like or photo ops of like, hey, look, I'm a communist, guys protect me a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:34

See, it is it's kind of weird because it's like you set that up, right? You pulled the book out. Yeah. And you say, hey, take a picture of the you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:41

When was the last time Hassan took a picture of him reading a book?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:43

I don't know. Yeah, well, I've never seen a picture of him reading a book, and and based on the understanding he had of left-wing communism, though, I don't even trust that he fully read or understood what is to be done.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:55

True. And to be honest, it is sort of it is a lot of references to economic and political figures from the 1890s through the 1900s. It's very esoteric.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:07

Kotsky, Bernstein, all the names. Yeah, people are like, who the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

Yeah, uh I I was gonna the names of the newspapers, their particular arguments, like I didn't really understand, but the meat of what he was saying rained through about like why here's why trades unionism, it's like I understood trades unionism, uh, how it becomes like a vassal to the bureaucratic whims or the bourgeoisie whims, you know what I mean? There is very interesting, and one thing, one point that he didn't articulate is for instance, in constitution, uh the the constitutions are a bare bones thing, right? And each case that gets sentenced, or uh they find uh uh there is a uh a judgment found in a case, it sets precedence. So, in effect, you can look at trades union agreements between workers and the bourgeoisie where they come to terms as a tacit acceptance of the bourgeoisie and their value form, right? So they it it then gives them more bargaining power because the the the next bourgeoisie trade syndicalists, the next industrialist can look this party over this group over here with the larger factory, with these people who get paid less than you settled for this. It creates precedence for the perpetuation of the capital social relation.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:26

Right? So it it crystallizes it and encodifies it and does nothing to ameliorate it, and it renders inert the political ambitions to supplant the whole system.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:36

Absolutely. And um the uh right, uh Lena makes the point that the spontaneous movement of the masses doesn't go beyond trade unionism, right? And this is what you get from trade unionism, that's why it has to be a consciously organized movement.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:51

And and dirty, impotent fucking communizers who promote books like uh Gilles Duvet, whose references to political organization were strictly restrained to autoworker protests in the 1970s in Germany and France and England. Yeah, yeah. That's like brotherhood. These are your mass demonstrations, where's the social activism? Where's the where's the progressive causes? Where's anything? It's literally it's about the workers and scabs.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:23

Well, and and as we've learned, like uh apparently uh to most communizers, the uh the greatest revolutionary experiments to have to exist are the Arab Spring protests and the Occupy Wall Street.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:36

Euromidon, Libya, Bojava. Trying to trying to oust Abraham Treori and get some neoliberal friendly administration in there because that's what queer people need. They need to demolish that one canning factory they managed to get built. That's what they need. Yeah. We need to instantly redo uh neoliberal aggression in that city. That's what uh everybody needs to take a haircut so Spontex feels better in his fucking Gilded Tower, in his ivory British tower, where he sits there and practices the Queen's English because he's ashamed of being Irish in his soul, in his heart and his soul. He's ashamed of his Irish, proud, revolutionary Irish heritage. So he says, I I fancy tea. I like tuna. He sits there and practice he every day he wakes up and he decides to sound like a Britbonger. What do you think about that, Cappy? About this type of vile person. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:35

I can't I can't deal with when you do that accent, first of all. You thought Spontex was here in the room with you, huh? I'm fucking like I'm trying to I'm trying not to fucking like crack up into the mic while you were just doing that. That that was I mean it's too perfect. It's it's um no, I mean the the look the thing that fuck that fucks with me is that like I uh again too, I didn't realize it uh until looking back into the text, but I didn't realize um like you had mentioned this earlier, that Lenin's what is to be done is also like we like the communizers should read that, and the reason why is not just because Lenin said it, but because they Lenin wrote what is to be done, then they did it, and it worked. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:21

And he did so and he amassed political power and capability by pointing out the futility of liberals just showing up and arguing about stuff and waving placards. And not only that, he did it in a way that didn't even minimize. He's like, We love the spontaneity, we love that. They just need a little bit of guidance to make it work in a system that will be coordinated, distributed, and work towards larger goals that don't just affirm the holdings of capitalists in the long run.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:50

Yeah. Well, that's uh you see, sp spontaneity and elements of spontaneity exist in all revolutions and and beyond proletarian even bourgeois revolutions. But the thing is that uh no revolution in human history has ever been 100% spontaneous. All of them have had some sort of centralization, some sort of group that takes the charge that leads the masses. Yeah. You just don't have spontaneous revolutions.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:17

At all. And not only that, it would create the only people who would actually want a spontaneous revolution of live of liberal, largely liberals, showing up and burning stuff, or like anarchists whose end goal is the implosion of a state and to be hippie homesteaders, which is honestly the uh we can talk about the what humanity should look like post-capitalism. We can talk about that. However, the implicit argument that I got from reading that uh Gilles Duvet book was that their degrowth and production for production's sake is bad, and that democracy is valid in as much as the people who are at arm's length from you right now can hear your voice, can all agree to do a thing. That amount of democracy is okay. And it's like, damn, so you're against federalism, bureaucracy, you're against admin. It shoots that whole like, oh, they believe in administrations, not states. No, they don't. They don't believe in administrations, and they want it to be instant within one generation, completely dissolve every state across the world. And it doesn't make any sense because for that to do that, there would have to be quote unquote no bad guys in the world, no aggressive actors. And it's so weird that they are so venomous to states perpetuating their own existence now, triori evil, burkino burkinabe people, evil. All of a sudden, all of these people are gonna be rendered inert when you magically erase all the states somehow. No, they're still gonna be extant states who have perverse goals and all they're gonna be extra ultra nationalists because in very many of those states it's gonna be the fascists who take over and not some hippie homesteader fucking peacenicks.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:55

No, yeah. I I mean I I don't know if any of these people have attempted to, I mean, at least here in America, you know. Um you the the word like my God.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:05

I don't think they've even attempted to draw a picture of what they imagine it looks like. Like, put it on a graph. Show me a timeline. They cannot get 10 communizers in a room and like write out your timeline. They'd be like, no, no, no, you can't do this. First of all, I want to officially denounce this committee that we've joined to fucking coordinate our timeline of what we actually want to happen. They're against even meeting. Yeah. It's it's very abstract. It's yeah, it's very abstract. And it's so far removed from the practicalities, it can be it you it could be labeled nothing other than it's not even anarchism, it's literally masturbatory idealism. Anarchists at least show up and throw Molotovs at stuff. You know, like they don't even do that, bro. They wit they feather into a crowd of liberals protesting something and then they pat themselves on the back. We did it. Micro revolution happened. Okay, brother. And what was the result? Nothing. It's perfect.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:57

No mediating effects of a vanguard. Yeah. I mean, them praising the Arab Spring protests kind of crazy because uh, you know, a lot of the time the overthrow of Qaddafi is considered part of that. And it's like, good job, guys. Now you have a a a uh slave state. Open air slave markets civil war. Yeah, good job. They love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:15

War literal feudal warlords, uh, open air slave markets. This is what they want. This is the progressive progressivism of a communizer. This is what the dissolution of a recognized state does in their lifetime, of course, right in front of their eyes. I do think that there was a sweet spot in the 70s. I think that a lot of these things are so removed, and again, communisters hate it when you talk about the material conditions, but this was around the time of the Sino Soviet split, when there was a very probably very many valid criticisms that one could have had about the excesses of the USSR and the relations between them and China, China's social imperialism, quote unquote, which is not a term that we would use, but you could say the Chinese actions and invading Vietnam. Bunch of weird shit uh supporting the Khmer Rouge. There's a lot of actions that would say, okay, this is obviously a degenerated workers' day. I understand being a left home in the 70s. However, you live in 2026 and China has flying taxis, and they're the most egalitarian, equanimous, peace-seeking, fucking hat-in-hand representative we have on the world stage. Like you don't see them, even when they're militarizing, it's in a defensive capability. It's like everything that they do seeks to show the world what it looks like to be economically prolific, but not warlike. And they still find a reason to hate them because they're perpetuating the value form of capitalist social relations.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:52

Again, because it's not anything short of full communism, right? It's just it doesn't matter. We can close our eyes, pretend it doesn't exist. It doesn't interest them.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:01

Let's get to the last question here. Yes. What is the point of what Hassan is doing? And is Hassan a communist? If he's not a communist, what's the point of this? We were talking about this, we broached recently. Is he raising consciousness and doing agit prop if he's ending up sheepdogging? However, I would have said what the point of him doing this is is to sheepdog for Democrats. However, I am less confident in stating that right as of right now. I am less confident saying his job is to sheepdog. However, he is currently chilling for several Democratic candidates. So uh, but his capability of the big seat, the presidency, it looks like he has made his peace with the people that get into that position to be the democratic presidential nominee are not good people and they won't ever be good people. I think that he's settled into that and he's sort of cherry-picking Dems that he that he thinks will take longer to betray him. I I'm not really sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:58

Well, I so I I think that only time will tell. I mean, we'll have to see if he begins to go down the road of Marxism-Leninism, and we start seeing I mean, if I start seeing him talking about it more and more and reading the books more and more, and if it actually seems like he came to an actual correct understanding of this or that, you know, thing, then sure, I don't think it's impossible for him to turn a new leaf. Um however, at this point, I'm not so confident. I'm I'm, you know, cautious. Is Hassan a communist? According to him, no. So I I would say no. But he then, you know, he says stuff that it's like, okay, dude, but that's what we want to do. That is in line with communism. So I don't know if he's a good thing. Yeah, I mean, he probably would not get gulagged per se. Well, I don't know. I don't think there's a reason to gulag him. Well, I can find some stuff. Oh, I'm sure. If we if we need to, we can get him in there.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:04

But I'm saying, you know, I think that like that would probably, if there was, for instance, like people think that everybody's a revolutionary, we're not talking about fucking Lenin here. We're talking about a guy who entertains people on a stream.

unknown 1:31:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:15

And there's room for streamers in our communist pseudo-utopia.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:20

I just um, yeah, I don't know. To whether or not he is or isn't a communist, I'm fucking not really sure. I would just I would go by his words.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:29

So even then, so there's a question that even if he was ideologically aligned with communism, would he be communism if uh communist if he didn't organize? Right? And I I tend to think sometimes that no, he wouldn't. Because there are liberals who concede that a communism is the better economic model and this and that and the the other thing, but they don't organize and they are not helping the movement out.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:50

So this is something I think um Lenin um talked about. In fact, uh many communists over the years have, but a communist is one who actually does do the the do the work, that does organize, that does go amongst the working class, and you know what I mean? It's not just somebody who agrees with communism and goes, yeah, I like that. You know what I mean. So yeah. At the very least, agit prop. At the very least, you gotta be doing something.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:16

Something, right? Uh, like coming on here and talking about communizers with British accents who call themselves Irish.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:24

Every time you you're you're I just I can tell by the look on your face and the way your voice gets, I'm like, oh, here it comes, communizer.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:33

Uh okay. So I have a broader question here, and this is what right before starting this podcast, this is a question I had. Um, what would it look like if an actual communist streamed? Someone of because we can say um everything else considered equal if somebody had the charisma, the height, the the tenor of the voice, the the standing, let's say he's a Nepo baby and everything else, right? Uh, we're not we're we're not mad at bourgeoisie intelligentsia working their way into vanguards and whatever that's Lenin and Marx each were the so Nepo baby stuff aside, does I don't fucking care. Uh, if Hassan was a communist or if there was a communist of like even half as much viewers, what would a communist stream look like? What would the role of a streamer be in communism? Not and and not specifically in the American context as it stands now. Would they be organizing? Would they be doing agit prop? What would it what would it look and sound like? Have you ever thought about that?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:39

So I I don't think they'd be organizing on stream. They should be organized. However, I do think the job of a communist streamer should be to enlighten people, to teach people, to educate people. And of course, there's nothing wrong with entertainment. I'm not against entertainment. And I would rather be entertained by a fucking communist than some fucking liberal. You know what I mean? Uh but um, yeah, no, I think education is a big part of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:04

So when you're saying that it's answering specific theory questions or what what is ed what would education look like talking via the modality of streaming?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:13

Just uh theory can get extremely complex. If there are people who are able to break down the more complex pieces of theory uh and economics and stuff like that and make it um easier for you know average working class people to absorb it, I think that that's great.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:31

Yes. Uh he could he could definitely be doing a lot more in that regard, right? Other than sheepdogging for Democrats.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:38

But that's the thing is he doesn't really understand the theory.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:41

Yeah. Um well, not revolutionary scientific socialism, I would say. No. He he d does seem to be uh well versed in burneyisms.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:54

Uh that that's a lot easier, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:56

Now I think it's uh I think that it would be easier to teach someone like Hassan theory who already has a very solid understanding of the political machinations. He understands the packs, the committees, he understands the inside baseball. He's he talked to the the the DNC uh um convention, the DCC, the Democratic National Convention. He was there. They booted him very quick because he was talking shit about everybody. So they're like, okay, cut this guy. You know what I mean? But he was there. That means he has entree into worlds that we don't understand. He's had AOC on several times, so he's been uh like uh been involved with pre-meetings and all that. He has a familiarity with the political world, and he's very versatile, and he remembers off the top of his head very many things that happened in the political sphere where this person had this legislation, then this happened, and da da da in the same way that like the majority reporter like Jimmy Dore does. He's very versant in the American body politic, right? So I think that it would be very easy for him to take that knowledge and then to add a meta layer above it of communistic theory and then talk about what a communist candidate would need to do. Sure. That would be yeah, do you think is that all Hassan is missing? Is a communist candidate to rally behind?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:16

Well, I mean I think that there is uh I mean that could definitely be one thing. I think that he does need to take up a a more in-depth study as well. I there's just needs to be something that pushes him to want to do that. Like, I mean, we asked the question, why was he reading that book? What pushed him into that? I am curious about that one. Why decide to uh you know what I mean? What is to be done is um an important book by Lenin and it's part of the Marxist-Lenin state.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:44

I don't want to say that it I don't want to, it's the same thing, but it's similar to like a Republican reading Mein Kampf, right? Like that is the formative, crystallized concentration of the ultra-nationalist will. That is what they want effectively, and that would be a very incendiary act, right? Yeah. So a le someone who's a center left left lib reading Lenin to the eyes of dual genocide believing Republicans who believe that communists have infiltrated everything and it's an insidious plot is very incendiary. So is he doing that to to uh to fatten um to exacerbate Republicans, conservatives, libs?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:24

Part of my thought was that it was rage baiting. Yeah. You know what I mean? Uh funny enough, though, is that the right wing aren't even the ones that really took uh notice of it. In fact, I see a lot of lib left people being like, oh, reading what is to be done, look at that expensive ring on his finger. And it's like, really? That's your criticism.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:41

Their criticism is that uh most of the criticism le uh lobbied against him is champagne socialists, oh, but you're rich, because they think that communism is a poverty vow.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the uh poverty cult.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:55

Yeah, that's what they think, which is like, brother, it's a workers' revolution where people retain their surplus value. And I will say, towards that regard, can't uh like I will say Hassan, vocally, anyways, does not stock invest in stocks. I don't think he has a 401k. I don't think he has a lot of financial instrumentation instrumentation that you and I have talked about before muddles the petite bourgeois from the the proletariat. Right? He runs some sort of company, I think. He runs a co-op that does merch. Yeah, but he doesn't like he's not owning Raytheon. He is not in hedge funds, he doesn't have a diversified stock portfolio, he is not doing usury, he is not he is not capitalist in the way he receives money. He receives money direct contributions from people who receive utility from his services. So he's petite bourgeois in that way. He is but very many people who did have millions of dollars sitting in a bank account would get itchy about it and they would start investing it. I probably I probably would. If I had several I would get nervous about having several million dollars in a bank account. Well, not only that, it's to protect it, to diversify your holdings for for the vicissitudes of the market, because you can't ever tell. Like we look around, we know the market tanks every five to eleven years, there's a fucking recession and they seem to be increasing all the time. It's not safe. We see banks defaulting left and right. It is not safe to have your money in a bank anymore because now they're being defaulted because of crypto scams and fake fintech and uh uh investments and everything. So he's putting himself in a more precarious position. So I will say that towards it seems that towards his understanding of what a social democrat is and wanting to minimize the the attack surface of people who would criticize him for being a hypocritical capitalist, he does seem to not invest his fucking money.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:59

Yeah, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:00

Yeah. I mean so it seems like he we just need to hold him down and MK ulter him into understanding communist theory.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:10

Yeah, yeah, I I I'd be down to do that. But who I mean, again, like I said, who knows? I I we'll have to wait and see where the development leads to the book.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:17

The final question is yeah, we yes, we only time will tell. I know, Cappy. Okay. What could Hassan learn if he actually read this book? Let's end it with this. So he did the photo op or whatever. Let's take him at face value. What could he learn as a streamer, as Hassan from this book? Is there any uh takeaways here?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:38

Yeah, I mean the right the general things that we learn from it, right? The the book has arguments against dogmatism, against the um against spontaneity, um, all of these things that are necessary for Marxist-Leninists to understand. I didn't even know what the fuck any of that meant before I had read Lenin. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:57

Key insights and conclusions. Freedom of criticism was misused as a cover for opportunism, genuine unity requires firm ideological boundaries. I I do agree that the only thing differentiating liberals from uh communists is goals, right? Is desired outcomes for political structure and for replacing one modality of economic social relations with the with another and a dictatorship of the proletariat. And they were uh the freedom of criticism. So, in order to make a big, big-tent leftist international proletariat, one of the conditions that these newspapers were superimposing on it was that they were free to criticize Lenin effectively. Yeah. So it was like sort of a freedom of speech argument. Yes, yeah. Uh yes, and that spontaneity in the workers' movement leads only to trade unionism, conscious revolutionary leadership is indispensable. True. That I think that I think that that is very key for him. But uh again, I think that he largely I think you and I like I don't think that No King's protest is bad. I just think that we should steal ourselves and uh to the reality that it'll probably accomplish very little.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:13

Well, that's no, in fact, uh that's the thing about him is that people are actually discontent now. It's the job of the communist parties to go and and bring themselves among the people and guide that discontent to f and fan it, fan the flames of discontent, as the IWW would say. That's the job of the communists.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:32

So one of the things that he could take take away from this book is to be more active and agit prop and disseminating theory and acting as a sort of a vector through which theory could spread, like spoon fed here and there.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:44

Yeah, or just you know, join a fucking communist. Why is he not? You know, he's not a communist. I don't know that he hasn't. I don't think he has.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:53

I don't know. I would imagine he's pr I I would imagine a lot of those people are pretty close with them. Like for instance, Madeline Pendleton had uh they uh Madeline did a post talking about they they had reached out, so she's uh at least once, twice, a couple times have speak spoken to the they're they they don't agree with each other on a lot either.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:14

I agree what she said. I agree or what they said.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:16

Yes, but it I I do think that Madeline's very tactful and diplomatic in dealing with Hasanabi because it's you will incur nothing but misery by pissing off the army of left-led Bernie bros.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:33

Yeah. Uh another political agitation must be broad and multifaceted, addressing all manifestations of oppression to raise workers' political consciousness. I think that streaming for Hassan would be a good facet for do that to promulgate the narratives that would fan the flames of agit prop. Just do agit prop, bro. You're literally a fucking talking head.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:52

Well, he's an entertainer. Yeah. Like just direct it towards you know something that's important.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:58

And he speaks to a um a passed over um subsection of the Democrats who have time and time again been betrayed while they try to appeal to center-right independence over and over again. So there is a large, lar ever-growing, disaffected body of Democrats that look to Hassan for guidance, like, brother, tell me what to do here. These Democrats are a mess. And look at the fucking there, we have Nazis and then and then Imperial Zionists. What's worse? Yeah, one's worse than the other, but I can't grit my teeth and vote for this anymore. What do we do? Yeah, yeah. He's I think the natural conditions are pushing him towards having ever increasingly more difficult conversations about it because the clear-cut nature of the demarcation between Republicans and Democrats is vanishing as people become more aware of imperialism and how it's a bipartisan affect uh bipartisan thing. Let's see, you're a centralized professional revolutionary party distinct from broad worker organizations is essential for success. Yeah, joining uh Hassan would learn that he needs to join an organization and and then and how to organize and be clandestine and learn tradecraft and all that.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:15

And it would make his agit prop more meaningful because without like agit prop is fine, and if you're doing it not as a member of an organization, like I'm not gonna tell you not to, but it's worth way more to do it as part of an organization that you could attempt to funnel people into to try and actually make real change, right, rather than just talking to the void.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:38

One of the another thing that Lennon called for in what is to be done is an all-Russia political newspaper uh as the organizational linchpin enabling coordination, education, and national leadership. Okay, this is very interesting because the modern analog to this would be a website, right? Effectively. I yeah, I would suppose so, yeah. Yeah, and and Hassan is positioned to be the Angles, effectively. So if uh look how look at what a venerated figure Engels is. And now, however, he was an author, a polemicist, uh sort of an organizer, right? He in uh in socialism scientific and utopian or whatever, whatever the the title is, it's all or is that the a critique of the Gotha program, however, excuse me. They were talking about delving slightly into German politics and the German socialist parties and their fusion, the party platform and their program and all that. So they they did they were engaged politically, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:36

Oh, yeah. I mean, they um they the international, the international working working men's association. I mean, that was something that they were involved with, you know what I mean? And Engels was in factories as well, you know, they did agitation work and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:51

They weren't just armchairs, and he wasn't just uh uh moneybags. No, no, yeah. Yeah, he was an author, agitator, diplomat, politician, coordinator. Yeah. So in the very least, Hassan could be money bags for other people who do have skin in the game, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:47:06

Or for a party, or for a party, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:09

He could be like the Sheldon Adelson or whatever, giving five million dollars to a nascent uh communist party, which would be gigantic for ad buys and everything else. Yeah. Um, not only that, uh least of all, which he could form a trust to pay for a a big national communist party website. And which is to say all that to say, I'm not sure that he hasn't contributed to communist parties. You know what I mean? We don't know, yeah. So I don't know. Uh the struggle against economism and amateurism is critical to building durable revolutionary movement. I agree. I think that he's on board. I don't I think that he uh knows that much. You can't just do labor. Unionizing is not the goal, and all be it's not the end all before.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:52

No, yeah. In fact, I think I saw a clip of him deriding uh spontaneity today when I was looking into Hassan a little bit. He was saying, like, if you think that the revolution is just gonna spontaneously happen, I don't know what to tell you or some shit, you're right. Like, he knows, you know what I mean. So he did read this fucking thing. He he very well might have, although you can get that from uh you know, you don't I mean the first five pages of the book. Yeah, well I was gonna say I don't think you have to read the whole thing. Yeah, I think Lenin speaks about it in other works. Uh but yeah, no, he he might have actually read it. So you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:32

Uh the final bullet point here, uh Lenin's vision is not merely theoretical but a practical blueprint for overcoming the crisis crisis of Russian social democracy and preparing for revolutionary action. I do think that they're they're uh a vis-a-vis spontaneity, and uh I I liken it to the communizers seem to think that these sort of liberal actions are going to coalesce into universal worldwide revolts that are all coordinated enough to foment the new economic order. I don't know what they believe. It sounds like childlike. It sounds like fed shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:08

Yeah. It's like you know, they basically believe in in spontaneity and and and simultaneous revolution based on the spontaneous action of the working class, which is like with no administration, no vanguard, no mediating bourgeoisie intelligentsia.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:23

It's w we were talking earlier, and when as I was reading this last night and this morning, it seems that communization theory was written as to counterpoint this book specifically.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:34

It sounds like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:35

Yeah, like it like it for every argument against spontaneity. I'm thinking about dirty, false Irish, uh dirty British sounding um uh communizers who have a cadre of 17-year-old naive left comms around them that he is uh perverting towards anarchism. It seems like a sound refutation and repudiation of communization. Communization theory writ large. Yeah.

unknown 1:50:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:03

Which is why they hate Lenin.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:06

They despise Lenin.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:07

Because he's a winner, and winners get things done. Okay, so that's it, Cappy. What do what do we have to what did we learn here today about Hassan and everything?

SPEAKER_00 1:50:16

W well I think I think that we learned that uh Hassan is a bit uh I think Hassan is a little confused himself, and I think that Hass Hassan is a confusing person to try and understand where he lays. Um but um I I think that a lot of the hate Hassan gets is not um it's uh uncalled for unless it's coming from Marxist-Leninists uh because of the fact that he's not Marxist-Leninist enough. That's the only type of hate he should be getting. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:50:47

I agree. What do you think he should read next?

SPEAKER_00 1:50:50

Honestly, I I mean Jesus. I if he just picked any book by Marx, Engels, or Lenin, I would be happy.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:56

But um How about State and Revolution, what we're gonna be reading next?

SPEAKER_00 1:51:00

Uh he very well, he very well uh would he'd probably do well from reading that. That's a core book. You have to read it. This this this when when I go back through that book, this will be my third or fourth time reading State and Revolution since 2016. That's a book that you'll go back to for the rest of your life. And every time you read it, like anything else, you'll catch shit that you didn't catch before, and you'll go, holy fuck. Yeah, this will be Yo, Lennon's a genius.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:24

Yeah, very well, it some t some people I think about this a lot. I think some people, there are people who are correct in every generation, every time. There was a guy in the 1300s who was probably like, it's this fucking money shit, and it's the fucking, it's like this whole system. He was probably sounding like a nut. They're like, get the fuck out of here. He was like uh they they were right, they just weren't right now. You know what I mean? There were I think that there are ultimately correct people. Yeah, there's utopian socialists and bobby bottles. Yeah, and it's like St. Simon or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:55

Yeah. Like they're dis them being disgruntled with capitalism was not why they were wrong. They were wrong because they tried to create a blueprint for a perfect society rather than scientifically analyzing the world that they live in to try and create a theory um you know based on that. They didn't understand the development of human history as the you know uh the the the history of class struggle is.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:17

They didn't have the class struggle angle, they didn't have historical materialism, they didn't have the scientific modality, they didn't have lines of communication, they didn't have the But they were fine people, you know. I they were fine people otherwise, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:30

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:30

Okay, that's it. Okay, Cappy, anything else you want to say to these people?

SPEAKER_00 1:52:34

Um yeah, piss before the podcast. They don't know you piss.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:38

Say something else.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:41

You're not gonna leave that in there. No. Well, I don't tr I don't trust you. Yeah, I get you. We are along. Yeah, you know what I uh guys, don't talk to cops. Uh, don't talk to communizers with British accents, don't talk to left comms, don't do anything Cappy wouldn't do. Uh don't trust old men that try to convince you of left communism. Um and um yeah, just be a Marxist Leninist.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:05

That's it. All right, everybody. Bye, bye, bye bye, bye bye. Bye bye.